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Posted: 14/11/2012 00:00 React [follow-arrow.png] Amazing Inspiring Funny Scary Hot Crazy Important Weird Follow [follow-arrow.png] Internet , Politics , Cctv , Communications Data , Content Data , Government , Theresa May , Human Rights , Internet Surveillance , Snoopers Charter , Surveillance , Tech 2013 , UK Tech News share this story Submit this story digg reddit stumble There are two major events on the draft Communications Data Bill this week. You might know this bill better as 'the snoopers charter', which its opponents argue it is an enormous encroachment of state spying into the way we use the internet: a big step toward a surveillance state. Journalists have been competing for who can write the most vitriolic diatribe about it: John Kampfner, Mike Harris, and Nick Cohen are noteworthy. There are problems with this bill, but it is does not herald mass internet surveillance. The bill is about improving government access to 'communications data' - who you communicate with, when, where, what websites you might have visited: information vital to many criminal investigations. Communications data is distinct from 'content data', such as what you write in an email, which is considered as separate, more serious type of intrusion, and is not changed by this bill. As it stands police and intelligence agencies can't get all the communications data they would like, and this bill is asking/demanding/paying communications companies to collect and retain it, so that in the event that a request is made for that information, it is available. Yes, it is a breach of our right to privacy, but we allow - and human rights legislation allows - the state to bug our homes, as long as it is proportionate, necessary, and properly regulated. Of course, whether this draft bill is proportionate, necessary and properly regulated is the problem. The security people say it is (they would, wouldn't they) and the privacy and civil liberties groups say it is not (they would, wouldn't they). Such was the conflagration when the bill was first put out that a joint committee was scrambled, chaired by Lord Blencathra and including the excellent Julian Huppert MP, to scrutinize the draft (I was a witness to the committee, and they are certainly doing that). The committee has finished its job, and we await its report. Expect quite a lot of re-drafting. I would like to make one simple point: it is very difficult to determine if something is proportionate. It's a slippery term, routinely pressed into service for one's own purpose. In this type of security work it means: the more potentially harmful the collection of information, the fewer the competent bodies, the narrower the legitimate aims, and the tougher the oversight needs to be. So how harmful is it if the government accesses your communications data? Communications data used to just mean telephone calls: who you called and when. Now it could include what websites you visit, your geo-location, which social network you're part of and who you've contacted. This is clearly more intrusive, but how much so? No-one really knows. So the first step is to see what the public actually thinks. In a submission to the committee, I reviewed a number of national surveys about public attitudes to privacy and data use. Taken together, there is no clear public view on how private different types of communication data are, and certain type of communications data, such as your geo-location or what websites you visit, probably poses a greater harm to privacy than who you telephoned and when. Given the value of the internet to the economy and society and the potential misuse of modern technology, it is important any measures to keep us safe are generally accepted by the public. When the committee reports back, the first thing it should do is ignore the scaremongering for a moment, and to advise the government to pause and properly assess public attitudes before legislating, Follow Jamie Bartlett on Twitter: www.twitter.com/JamieJBartlett FOLLOW UK TECH Like [DEL: :DEL] 4k Enter email for UK T Get Alerts * Theresa May * Internet * Politics * Human Rights There are two major events on the draft Communications Data Bill this week. You might know this bill better as 'the snoopers charter', which its opponents argue it is an enormous encroachment of state... There are two major events on the draft Communications Data Bill this week. You might know this bill better as 'the snoopers charter', which its opponents argue it is an enormous encroachment of state... 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[display_comments_title.gif] * Comments * 16 * Pending Comments * 0 * View FAQ Comments are closed for this entry Community Notice: We've made some changes to our badge program, including the addition of our newest badge: Community Curator. View All Favorites Recency | Popularity photo MKIV 9 Fans 22:07 on 14/11/2012 The government needs a warrant to intercept our phone calls and snail mail - the same safeguards should apply to internet usage. MKIV: The government needs a warrant to intercept our phone calls http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/MKIV/internet-surveillance_b_211 6266_206072586.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... gogsrule 49 Fans 18:55 on 14/11/2012 Have a read about the origins of GCHQ and ECHELON - interesting stuff. We've been under surveillance for years, there's just been a "redeployment" following the end of the "cold war" with the USSR. gogsrule: Have a read about the origins of GCHQ and ECHELON http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/gogsrule/internet-surveillance_b _2116266_206003449.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... photo Ciaran Goggins 20 Fans 16:28 on 14/11/2012 Nobody involved in government opposition is unaware of this. Ciaran_Goggins: Nobody involved in government opposition is unaware of this. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Ciaran_Goggins/internet-surveill ance_b_2116266_205951558.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program photo ECpeasy 201 Fans 11:16 on 14/11/2012 A guy gets arrested for burning a poppy but the following horrible site - which is a source for the famous list of Tory pedophiles (if you follow the links) - is legal. I do not understand why. http://simianpress.com/2012/11/03/the-paedophile-ring-that-encircles-br itish-politics/ Where is the consistency in the application of the law? The above atrocious site engages in malevolent defamation and it stands. But a citizen is arrested for engaging in a symbolic political act. ECpeasy: A guy gets arrested for burning a poppy but the http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/ECpeasy/internet-surveillance_b_ 2116266_205883174.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... skytroper 7 Fans 09:32 on 14/11/2012 oh dear i better stop visiting the huff post before i get accused of something! skytroper: oh dear i better stop visiting the huff post before http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/skytroper/internet-surveillance_ b_2116266_205875833.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program photo MacTheCat Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all 2258 Fans 23:18 on 13/11/2012 It won't keep you safer. Just the opposite. Pass it at your own risk. MacTheCat: It won't keep you safer. Just the opposite. Pass it http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/MacTheCat/internet-surveillance_ b_2116266_205755104.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... Genders Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment 2580 Fans 22:49 on 13/11/2012 Encrypt your data, use an anonymous portal. The gov and business will not be able to resists spying on you if they can. Don't let them. Genders: Encrypt your data, use an anonymous portal. The gov and http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Genders/internet-surveillance_b_ 2116266_205746052.html History | Permalink | Share it HUFFPOST SUPER USER Tony Booth 51 Fans 11:18 on 14/11/2012 the time will come when, if you encrypt your data, they will assume you have something to hide. the T word will be thrown around and the press will join in your general demonisation. logical progression + mission creep guarantees it. Tony_Booth: the time will come when, if you encrypt your data, http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Tony_Booth/internet-surveillance _b_2116266_205883335.html History | Permalink | Share it Genders Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment 2580 Fans 19:27 on 14/11/2012 Yes, already happened to some degree. I have heard that many NSA and such systems look for encrypted data streams. But if we all did it, that would be pointless Genders: Yes, already happened to some degree.  I have heard that http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Genders/internet-surveillance_b_ 2116266_206013844.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... HUFFPOST SUPER USER realitytrumpsbull Two 'alves of coconut! 1889 Fans 21:48 on 13/11/2012 If you use the internet for anything, both The Government and private industry are watching what you do, with Great Interest, and for multiple reasons. Don't want monitored? Don't use the internet. Don't use cellphones, either. Don't use credit cards. Don't drive on the street, because of the hidden surveillance cameras. Don't go anywhere or do anything, because the plainclothes police will be watching. Big Brother Is Watching You. Smile! realitytrumpsbull: If you use the internet for anything, both The Government http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/realitytrumpsbull/internet-surve illance_b_2116266_205727467.html History | Permalink | Share it This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program photo MacTheCat Those Clouds You See Aren't really clouds at all 2258 Fans 23:19 on 13/11/2012 Then we need to remove big brother from the family. MacTheCat: Then we need to remove big brother from the family. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/MacTheCat/internet-surveillance_ b_2116266_205755447.html History | Permalink | Share it photo Merlin Magii 1 Fans 12:51 on 14/11/2012 "The further back we look, the further forward we see" - Winston Churchill This is simply NOT going to happen until we collectively take ownership of our actions - that includes realising that to NOT vote in elections, is to hand power to the State on a plate. Merlin_Magii: aThe further back we look, the further forward we seea http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Merlin_Magii/internet-surveillan ce_b_2116266_205893940.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... photo Merlin Magii 1 Fans 12:48 on 14/11/2012 "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?". Merlin_Magii: aQuis custodiet ipsos custodes?a. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Merlin_Magii/internet-surveillan ce_b_2116266_205893330.html History | Permalink | Share it photo HUFFPOST SUPER USER Drg40 Representative Democracy is all we have. 64 Fans 01:45 on 16/11/2012 Quite so, but then, who has defined what is meant by the term "free" speech? One example, should it be a crime to tell lies knowing them to be lies? Not only would such a law be difficult to police on Internet, but there would be no newspapers left within a week or so. To leave these matters to civil action is merely to ensure there is a law for the rich, etc. if I write an email but don't send it or even write a name in the addressee field, is that communication? Drg40: Quite so, but then, who has defined what is meant http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/Drg40/internet-surveillance_b_21 16266_206528398.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. There are More Comments on this Thread. Click Here To See them All spinner Loading comments... spinner Loading comments... This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... jhNY Mercy. 1177 Fans 17:34 on 13/11/2012 Who decides? jhNY: Who decides? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/social/jhNY/internet-surveillance_b_211 6266_205639371.html History | Permalink | Share it This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. View comment You have not right to carry out this operation or Error this operation. spinner Loading comments... new comment(s) on this entry -- Click to refresh spinner Loading comments... FOLLOW US * Facebook * Twitter * Apple * Android * gplus * Email * Rss Connect with your friends Check out stories you might like, and see what your friends are sharing! 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