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27-11-2013, 22:42 | #1 |
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Do other EU countries pay housing benefit and other benefits to EU immigrants?
Just wondered really. Do countries like Germany and France provide housing and pay benefits to EU immigrants? Are they also getting large numbers entering their country's? Are their populations also not happy about it?
If they don't, why is the UK going to be seen as the 'nasty country'? |
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We do in Ireland. Infact we have the second most generous dole in europe. At the start of the euro crisis it was 216euro per week, it's now 188euro per week. We also have generous housing allowance and other allowances. We've had unprecedented immigration to Ireland in the last ten years. Our print, radio and T.V media never debate it. Someone might call you a racist.
To my knowledge Ireland has the most generous childrens allowance in europe, think it is about 140euro a month. The Polish pay about 10 euro. A working Polish parent in Ireland gets the balance of 130euro from our government to send to their child back home. Our social affairs minister tried to do something about it and the EU basically told her to do a runner. We in Ireland are generally percieved in europe as the nice English speaking member, the only time we cause a little hassle is when we vote no to EU referenda but we always give europe the 'right' answer, second time round. |
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Just wondered really. Do countries like Germany and France provide housing and pay benefits to EU immigrants? Are they also getting large numbers entering their country's? Are their populations also not happy about it?
If they don't, why is the UK going to be seen as the 'nasty country'? Yes. (Doesn't France have the greatest number of immigrants?) Yes/No. Other countries are generally less xenophobic than Britain, although of course, you have whingers and fascists everywhere. |
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Thanks for the answers. So, if I turn up in Germany with no job or place to live, I would be entitled to their equivalent of JSA and could expect accommodation provided by the state?
I guess what will happen eventually is that the poorer countries will continue to lose population, whilst the richer ones grow and grow! It doesn't seem a hugely well thought through policy. |
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We do in Ireland. Infact we have the second most generous dole in europe. At the start of the euro crisis it was 216euro per week, it's now 188euro per week. We also have generous housing allowance and other allowances. We've had unprecedented immigration to Ireland in the last ten years. Our print, radio and T.V media never debate it. Someone might call you a racist.
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Yes. They pay such benefits.
Yes. (Doesn't France have the greatest number of immigrants?) Yes/No. Other countries are generally less xenophobic than Britain, although of course, you have whingers and fascists everywhere. |
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Anyone notice the BBC are going with the new immigration restrictions as their top story. Trying to make up for their previous bias I guess.
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r/e benefits, especially unemployment, why can't there be an EU-wide maximum for people not in the country of their passport - so if the max was e.50/week, if I moved to Germany and claimed the dole, that's the maximum I could expect irrespective of what Germans get?
Or - the country you are in pays you the lower of the two countries - so if it's e70 in the UK, but e 40 in Bulgaria (haven't a clue - that's just guessing) a |Bulgarian cannot expect the UK to pay any more than he/she would expect in Bulgaria. ?? |
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r/e benefits, especially unemployment, why can't there be an EU-wide maximum for people not in the country of their passport - so if the max was e.50/week, if I moved to Germany and claimed the dole, that's the maximum I could expect irrespective of what Germans get?
Or - the country you are in pays you the lower of the two countries - so if it's e70 in the UK, but e 40 in Bulgaria (haven't a clue - that's just guessing) a |Bulgarian cannot expect the UK to pay any more than he/she would expect in Bulgaria. ?? Come here to work or you are not welcome. |
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So basically it means that poor Brits won't be able to claim them abroad once Cameron gets his way?
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Germany, holland and austria do.
Their governments are being pressured to try and curb atleast some of the payments that go to migrants that do not work. Hypno, your mud slinging doesnt help matters. I would like to consider myself pro eu (changes do have to be made to make it more democratic) but i am all for removing child and unemployment benifits from those migrants that do not work. |
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Germany, holland and austria do.
Their governments are being pressured to try and curb atleast some of the payments that go to migrants that do not work. Hypno, your mud slinging doesnt help matters. I would like to consider myself pro eu (changes do have to be made to make it more democratic) but i am all for removing child and unemployment benifits from those migrants that do not work. Do you think British people never go to live abroad? Or is that different? You think they don't get benefits in the countries they go to if they loose jobs etc? Perhaps you would like to have a look at this link, with countries and the number of immigrants tey have, which includes numbers as a percentage of the population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...orn_population Take a look down to Jordan and Hong Kong, smaller than us, much higher percentage of immigrants. |
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We do in Ireland. Infact we have the second most generous dole in europe. At the start of the euro crisis it was 216euro per week, it's now 188euro per week. We also have generous housing allowance and other allowances. We've had unprecedented immigration to Ireland in the last ten years. Our print, radio and T.V media never debate it. Someone might call you a racist.
To my knowledge Ireland has the most generous childrens allowance in europe, think it is about 140euro a month. The Polish pay about 10 euro. A working Polish parent in Ireland gets the balance of 130euro from our government to send to their child back home. Our social affairs minister tried to do something about it and the EU basically told her to do a runner. We in Ireland are generally percieved in europe as the nice English speaking member, the only time we cause a little hassle is when we vote no to EU referenda but we always give europe the 'right' answer, second time round. |
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So what would you do if say, the person and child were from Syria, they had seen their families bombed and poisoned, shot, etc etc (and that's just the basic things that have been happening to them), they came here to try and build a new life and couldn't get a job to begin with until they had adjusted from the trauma. You do realise why there are so many immigrants do you? Why people are risking drowning etc to escape? And before you ask, we don't get many of them, more than 2 million have gone to places like Lebanon, Jordon, Turkey etc, 24,000 have gone to Germany, No, not all immigrants are fleeing things as bad as that, but do you really think people uproot themselves from their families and travel and try and start a new life for the fun of it, or for a few paltry pounds?
Do you think British people never go to live abroad? Or is that different? You think they don't get benefits in the countries they go to if they loose jobs etc? Notice i said migrants not asylum seekers. |
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It's just a shame the BBC and the British press don't report this to the idiotic masses who obsess over the immigration issue. Something has to be done to tackle British Xenophobia. It's almost acceptable because it's become so widespread with the press and the conservatives most to blame for inflaming it.
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Picking at the low hanging fruit i see
Notice i said migrants not asylum seekers. |
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If you feel the need to be the big man throwing around the usual left wing derogatory terms then fine. No one really cares as the majority of the population support moves restricting foreigner benefits.
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Germany, holland and austria do.
Their governments are being pressured to try and curb atleast some of the payments that go to migrants that do not work. Hypno, your mud slinging doesnt help matters. I would like to consider myself pro eu (changes do have to be made to make it more democratic) but i am all for removing child and unemployment benifits from those migrants that do not work. If there was a big problem with non-working migrants claiming those benefits I might be more inclined to worry about the economics of it - but I'm not, as there isn't a big problem. The facts and figures speak for themselves. |
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We do in Ireland. Infact we have the second most generous dole in europe. At the start of the euro crisis it was 216euro per week, it's now 188euro per week. We also have generous housing allowance and other allowances. We've had unprecedented immigration to Ireland in the last ten years. Our print, radio and T.V media never debate it. Someone might call you a racist.
To my knowledge Ireland has the most generous childrens allowance in europe, think it is about 140euro a month. The Polish pay about 10 euro. A working Polish parent in Ireland gets the balance of 130euro from our government to send to their child back home. Our social affairs minister tried to do something about it and the EU basically told her to do a runner. We in Ireland are generally percieved in europe as the nice English speaking member, the only time we cause a little hassle is when we vote no to EU referenda but we always give europe the 'right' answer, second time round. the Irish dole was around 20 pounds a week more than the UK dole (at the time 2005/6) and I could also claim for my rent, and I wasn't made to feel as though I was vermin either, as the unemployed here are, I applied for and was granted a place on a business study course, with a view to going self employed, the course lasted 6 months, one day a week, and from the moment I started the course my 'dole' went up by 20 euros a week, and I wasn't expected to look for work, and anything I earned from my self employment wile on the course was not taken from my benefits, see the Irish actually try to HELP the unemployed rather than kicking them in the teeth, Had I finished the course, I would have been able to apply for an almost guaranteed non re-payable grant of up to 10 thousand euros, to help start my business, and I would STILL be allowed to claim 'dole' for another 4 years after going self employed, on a sliding reduction of 25% per year, But so good is the propaganda here, that huge numbers of the herd think we have the most generous welfare system in Europe, we certainly have one of the best, but far from THE best, It was a real culture shock when I arrived back in the UK, and turned up at the job-centre and asked for 'help' I can tell ya, |
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Low fruit? Why do you think migrants move? If they had a good life they wouldn't move, would they?
A much more interesting country from your wiki link iswthe uae. |
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If you feel the need to be the big man throwing around the usual left wing derogatory terms then fine. No one really cares as the majority of the population support moves restricting foreigner benefits.
although, I've yet to see any proof, of this "majority" support, all we seem to see is lots of very vocal 'righties' TELLING everyone what the "majority" thinks, and yet if the "majority" DO agree with this, then why aren't the BNP in power? and should we expect a UKIP government in 2015 if "the majority" do indeed agree?, |
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Germany has tended to be the number one destination with the chance of well paid work. I
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If there was a big problem with non-working migrants claiming those benefits I might be more inclined to worry about the economics of it - but I'm not, as there isn't a big problem. The facts and figures speak for themselves.
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Which facts and figures are those?
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and believing that an opinion or point of view based on prejudice and ignorance, shouldn't be opposed or argued against because "the majority" agree, worked really well in a certain European country, in the early half of the last century didn't it?
although, I've yet to see any proof, of this "majority" support, all we seem to see is lots of very vocal 'righties' TELLING everyone what the "majority" thinks, and yet if the "majority" DO agree with this, then why aren't the BNP in power? and should we expect a UKIP government in 2015 if "the majority" do indeed agree?, Certainly no need to join extremist parties such as the BNP in order to support this common sense approach in order for you to stoke you cl.aims of racism or xenophobia. What is occurring with this policy is common sense - something that some who share your patterns of thought seriously lack. |
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Which facts and figures are those?
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Ones from mickey mouse Wikipedia no doubt
C4 News have done various Fact-Checks on supposed 'benefit tourism' and they've all concluded that the 'problem' is a virtually negligible one. Christ, there was even a BBC Magazine article about this only yesterday, link here. This sentence sums up the findings: Quote:
But what’s the evidence for benefit tourism? The answer is that there is very little - and it is an extremely complex picture.
Most people who emigrate here do so to work or study, not to claim benefits. Of course, there will always be exceptions but people don't generally arrive here solely to claim benefits. |
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