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America may be ready, but Republicans aren't: Rising popular support for same-sex marriage is posing a problem for the GOP. i i People hold signs, including some reading "America is ready for marriage," at a same-sex marriage victory celebration on Oct. 6 in Salt Lake City, Utah. America may be ready, but Republicans aren't: Rising popular support for same-sex marriage is posing a problem for the GOP. George Frey/Getty Images hide caption itoggle caption George Frey/Getty Images People hold signs, including some reading "America is ready for marriage," at a same-sex marriage victory celebration on Oct. 6 in Salt Lake City, Utah. America may be ready, but Republicans aren't: Rising popular support for same-sex marriage is posing a problem for the GOP. People hold signs, including some reading "America is ready for marriage," at a same-sex marriage victory celebration on Oct. 6 in Salt Lake City, Utah. America may be ready, but Republicans aren't: Rising popular support for same-sex marriage is posing a problem for the GOP. George Frey/Getty Images When social norms change, sometimes they change so fast it's hard to keep up. Only 10 years ago, ballot initiatives opposing gay marriage were helping Republicans win elections. But two weeks ago, when the Supreme Court effectively cleared the way for legal same-sex marriage, the response from Republican leaders was deafening silence. In Red States, Many See Courts Eroding Their Values Dec. 23, 2004 They were so quiet, some wondered whether the culture wars had finally ended with a Republican defeat. Gary Bauer, a longtime social conservative activist, thinks that's nonsense. "The idea that the culture wars are over is absurd," he says. "A war over the culture and the meaning of American liberty will continue to be a major factor in the American public debate." Other social conservative leaders agree with Bauer. Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said if the Republicans don't fight against gay marriage, he'll become an independent. Sen. Ted Cruz promised to introduce a constitutional amendment allowing states to ban gay marriage. But those views are in the minority. While polls show opinion on some social issues, like abortion, are relatively stable, public opinion on gay marriage has changed — and changed fast. Democratic Party Embraces 'Values' Debate Oct. 19, 2006 A majority of Americans now accept gay marriage, says Peter Levine, a political scientist at Tufts University. He calls that "a profound generational change." "In the long run, everyone's going to be for gay marriage," he says, "but in the short term, Republicans have a problem, which translates into a problem of perceived intolerance." Conservative views on social issues, including gay marriage, are often called the third leg of the Republican stool, alongside small government and strong defense. So the party will have to adapt without alienating an important part of its voting coalition, says Ari Fleischer, who was a press secretary in the Bush White House. "For Republicans, the challenge is if they take the issue uniquely as gay marriage head-on, many Republicans aren't going to want to change, who are older voters," Fleischer says. "Younger Republicans are willing to change on that issue — they already have changed." The problem for the GOP is that right now there aren't enough young Republicans. Young people vote overwhelmingly for Democrats in national elections, and social issues are one of the main reasons. Calling For An End To The Culture Wars Feb. 3, 2009 Kirsten Kukowski is the press secretary for the Republican National Committee, which is trying to help Republican candidates bridge the gap between the party's base and changing public attitudes. "For a long time we came across as maybe not as sensitive and not as compassionate on these issues," she says. "And I think a couple of years ago — right after the 2010 presidential election — for people in the RNC specifically, our strategists, a lot of our pollsters and a lot of the people around us in these campaigns, we sat down at the table and said, 'How do we change how we talk to voters?' " Republicans are already changing. This year, most Republican candidates in tight races barely mention social issues on the stump. Others have moved to the center, disavowing their previous support for "personhood" amendments, which would give constitutional rights to embryos. A handful of Republican Senate candidates have joined Planned Parenthood in supporting the idea of over-the-counter birth control. In addition to RNC operatives, conservative intellectuals are also grappling with this problem. "There's a group of us who are basically conservative but think that mainstream conservatism needs to rethink some of its strategic approaches and policy emphases," says Henry Olsen of the Ethics & Public Policy Center. "And we've been called reformicons, and we're fine with that." Olsen and his fellow reformicons say social issues like gay marriage have to be navigated carefully — very carefully. Evangelicals' New Chief Says Days Of Moral Majority Over Aug. 30, 2013 "No Republican candidate can be nominated that openly supports same-sex marriage. That doesn't mean that you need to talk about it in a way that implies disapproval or condemnation of gay and lesbian people. It certainly does not mean that you have to deny certain sorts of federal benefits that presumably could be extended to people without the formal extension of marriage," he says. "That sort of thing is the rhetoric of compassion and inclusion that a Republican candidate to win the presidency ought to pursue." Gay marriage is where opinion is changing the fastest, but the public is also evolving on other issues, like immigration and climate change. The RNC's Kirsten Kukowski says the party will debate all of this in the 2016 primary campaign. "We're going to have a very interesting conversation in the next couple of months," she says. "And having been here through the last presidential [election] and then through the midterms, this is going to be a very important conversation for Americans to have, and for us to have as a party." It's clear where the public is going on issues like gay marriage — but not so clear where the Republican Party will end up. * culture wars * RNC * Republican * gay marriage * Share + Facebook + Twitter + Google+ + Email * Comment More From Politics Politics Republicans Gather To Galvanize, Share Ideas At 'Freedom Summit' Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee was a Republican presidential hopeful in the 2008 election. 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The Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority bought a full-page USA Today ad featuring a wedding cake with two grooms on top looking out over the Vegas cityscape. The tagline: “Now you can say ‘I do’ to one more thing here.” The city also has a Web site devoted to gay travel. But a handful of Sin City’s dozens of wedding chapels have been turning gay couples away. “My faith won’t allow it,” Dolly Deleon told 8 News Now. Deleon said she is a born-again believer in Jesus in addition to owning the Vegas Wed Chapel, a 24-hour, one-stop wedding shop a block from the hard-partying Vegas strip where lovebirds can hire hula dancers and have an Elvis impersonator bless their unions. “I would be a hypocrite if I said I’m a Bible-believing person and yet I would perform marriage that believe is solely against God’s law,” Deleon said. The Elvis Wedding Chapel, which offers “Blue Hawaii” and “Elvis in Concert” as themes for couples looking to formalize their commitment, also refuses to serve same-sex couples. A man identified only as David would not explain the policy to 8 News Now. “There is no story here,” he said as he refused to open the door to the TV station and their cameras. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, for-profit wedding chapels that turn away gay couples could be charged with a misdemeanor. The organization explained exceptions to the law only apply to religious institutions. “The difference between a church and a place of worship and a wedding chapel is that a wedding chapel is a business so that is covered under the Public Accommodations Law of Nevada,” Tod Story of the ACLU told News 8. Meanwhile, laws banning discrimination in public accommodation have required bakers, photographers and other businesses that provide wedding-related services to serve gay customers. In Idaho, where gay marriage also recently became legal, a religious liberty group, Alliance Defending, filed a lawsuit Friday on behalf of two ordained ministers who don’t want to perform same-sex marriages at their for-profit wedding chapel. Since it’s not a church, the chapel likely falls under the state’s public accommodation law, Coeur d’Alene city attorney Warren Wilson told the Idaho Spokesman-Review. Donald and Evelyn Knapp, who operate the Hitching Post, face 180 days in jail and up to $1,000 for turning gay couples away. The complaint argues applying the law to the Knapps is unconstitutional and would violate the Free Exercise of Religion Protected Act, a state law that protects free exercise of religion absent a compelling government interest. The law even protects religion when the “burden” is imposed by another state law — in this case, the public accommodation act. Unlike the quickie wedding chapels typical of Las Vegas, the Hitching Post’s officiants are ordained clergy, and they say their ceremonies are religious in nature. U.C.L.A. Law professor Eugene Volokh, who has previously sided in litigation with a photographer who refused to photograph a gay wedding, thinks the Knapps will prevail on both the constitutional and state law arguments. “I find it hard to see a compelling government interest in barring sexual orientation discrimination by ministers officiating in a chapel,” Volokh wrote in a recent post in his “Volokh Conspiracy” blog that runs in The Washington Post. “Whatever interests there may be in equal access to jobs, to education, or even in most public accommodations, I don’t see how there would be a ‘compelling’ government interest in preventing discrimination in the provision of ceremonies, especially ceremonies conducted by ministers in chapels.” [Gail-Sullivan.jpg&h=180&w=180] Gail Sullivan covers business for the Morning Mix blog. * Share on FacebookShare * Share on TwitterTweet Comments Show Comments Discussion Policy Comments SuperFan Badge SuperFan badge holders consistently post smart, timely comments about Washington area sports and teams. 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Their religious views are expected to adjust to the edicts of the state. So it’s official: a new religious orthodoxy is sweeping across the nation, imposed by government and backed by force. It’s a religious orthodoxy required by secular authorities for a secular purpose, but no matter. Heretics will be found out and forced to recant. No one ever expects the Secular Inquisition. Except that we actually did expect it. In fact, it’s inherent in the fundamental basis of the left’s arguments for gay marriage. I’m speaking here of the argument for gay marriage. It may be hard to remember now, but not very long ago there were compromise proposals for same-sex “civil unions” that were legally equivalent to marriage but under a different name. Gay rights activists consciously rejected these unions in order to specifically demand the use of the term “marriage,” insisting that the state legally recognize and enforce the equality of these marriages with old-fashioned, outmoded heterosexual ones. Personally, I have no problem with gay people getting hitched, having weddings, and saying that they are “married.” I don’t have any religious objection, on account of not being religious, nor do I think gay marriages, given their very small numbers, will have any particular impact on the state of marriage as an important social institution. (Which, alas, has all sorts of problems of its own.) But the test of liberty isn’t what happens to people who agree with the intent of a particular edict. The test is what happens to people who disagree. That brings us to the reason why gay rights advocates insisted on the government granting same-sex unions the title of “marriage.” The theory behind this was that homosexuals suffer from a lack of social acceptance, and gay marriage would put the government’s imprimatur on their status as social equals—along with the promise that this equality is to be backed by government force. The theory behind gay marriage, in short, was the theory behind the entire secular left: society and the state are the all-powerful forces on which the life of the individual depends, and the most important political task—indeed, the most important task in life—is getting this irresistible power on your side. Once you gain social and political power, you hold on to it by making your preferred views mandatory, a catechism everyone must affirm, while suppressing all heretical views. In this case, to gain social acceptance of homosexuality, you make the affirmation of gay marriages mandatory while officially suppressing any dissenting religious views. Hence, the Secular Inquisition, which we should have expected all along. Except that it turns out to have the opposite effect in the long run, as the history of the original inquisition reveals. A big part of the reason for the centuries-long decline in the influence of religion in the West is the aftermath of its attempts to protect its social monopoly through coercion. I don’t think the Church has ever really recovered from the legacy of the Spanish Inquisition, which served to discredit religion by associating it with brutality—an image that has lived in infamy for centuries, down to its use in a certain well-known Monty Python sketch. As an advocate of secularism—including secular morality and a secular basis for liberty—I don’t want my own views similarly discredited by association with the oppressive acts of a new Secular Inquisition. Follow Robert on Twitter. 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This memo has yet to reach Anthony Culler, the Republican challenging Rep. James Clyburn (D) in South Carolina. "Same-sex couples that seek to destroy our way of life and the institution of marriage are NOT cute and cuddly but rather (for those of you that are old enough to remember the movie), Gremlins that will only destroy our way of life," the GOP hopeful wrote last Tuesday in a Facebook post. Culler posted this status the day after the Supreme Court rejected five appeals from states to prohibit same-sex marriage, effectively sanctioning more gay and lesbian unions across the country. "These people, like my opponent SC-6 Congressman Jim Clyburn who OPENLY supports same-sex 'marriage,' seek to destroy the traditional family and the values we cherish," Culler's post continued. "For years this insidious plan has been in the works." Culler contends that LGBT people who wish to wed are "bullies" of a "hateful nature" who have capitalized on apathy to win the right to marry. He entreats "the silent majority" in his district, where people "are MORE AGAINST same-sex 'marriage' than ANY other district in the State of South Carolina" to turn out and vote on Election Day. But trailing Clyburn in the polls, Culler looks like he'll need more than spooky slurs to unseat the Democratic incumbent, who has served in the House for more than 20 years. Also on The Huffington Post Close  10 Incredible Improvements For LGBT People Since The First State Legalized Gay Marriage of   * * * Massachusetts Becomes The First Massachusetts became the first state to welcome gay marriages in 2004. Since then, 17 states and Washington, DC have followed their lead and now allow same-sex couples to tie the knot. * Increase In Support Of Marriage Equality Only 37 percent of Americans supported marriage equality for same-sex couples in in 2003. 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LEGAL LOVE 10.20.14 Obama: Gay Marriage Constitutional Right [1413826780372.cached.jpg] Brendan Gmialowski/AFP/Getty President Obama believes that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. “Ultimately, I think the Equal Protection Clause does guarantee same-sex marriage in all 50 states,” he said in an interview published Monday in The New Yorker. While Obama said he believes states are legally required under the Constitution to allow same-sex marriages, his administration has not yet made that case before the Supreme Court. Also in the interview, Obama spoke favorably about the Supreme Court’s recent decision not to interfere with lower court rulings on gay marriage. “In some ways, the decision that was just handed down to not do anything about what states are doing on same-sex marriage may end up being as consequential—from my perspective, a positive sense—as anything that’s been done,” he said. “Given the direction of society, for the court to have allowed the process to play out the way it has may make the shift less controversial and more lasting.” Read it at The New Yorker More From The Beast + Justices to Gay-Marriage Foes: Get Lost By Jay Michaelson + share + tweet + post + email comments * About us * Contact us * Jobs * Advertise * Help * Mobile Site * Privacy * Community Policy * Terms & Conditions * Copyright & Trademark * © 2014 The Daily Beast Company LLC * * Home * Features + Headlines o Local Headlines o National Headlines o Business Headlines + Today At Utah Policy + Utah Politics In 60 Seconds + Insider Surveys + Featured Articles + Washington Watch + Policy Buzz + Multimedia + Hot or Not + Calendar * Topics + Newsletter Archive o Subscribe To Our Newsletter + 2014 Legislature Coverage + Legislation + Leadership Tips + Campaign Guru + Campaign Tips + Communication Tips + Political Portal + Blog Watch + Wise Words + Lighter Side + Newsletter * About + About This Website + Utah Pulse Website + Terms + Log In/Out * Contact Us * Search Our Website Email Print Poll: Opposition to Same-Sex Marriage Falling Across the Board Written by Bob Bernick on 21 October 2014. Posted in Today At Utah Policy In light of the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision that made same-sex marriages legal in Utah, some key groups’ opposition to gay marriage has softened – although the groups are still opposed to the practice. And, perhaps more important for gay rights leaders, the chance that a statewide law banning discrimination in housing and employment for gays and lesbians is gaining critical support, a new UtahPolicy poll finds. Dan Jones & Associates conducted a similar survey on these topics last August. And comparisons between that poll and one taken just last Wednesday and Thursday finds some interesting changes in Utahns’ opinions. Nationally, a number of political pundits say that Republican candidates are staying away from gay rights issues, mainly because Americans’ opinions are changing – and changing quickly. No one is suggesting that most Utahns – and certainly most Utah Republicans and members of the Mormon Church – will accept gay marriage any time soon. Still, the politically conservatives’ and Mormons’ opposition to gay marriage – and especially a housing and employment gay anti-discrimination law – is moving, Jones finds. Some comparative numbers: -- In August 59 percent of Utahns supported a statewide law banning discrimination of gays and lesbians in housing and employment. (About 20 local governments have passed such a law – originally endorsed by leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.) Now that support has increased to 61 percent, Jones finds in his latest survey. Such support could be critical to state Sen. Steve Urquhart, R-St. George. For the past two legislative general sessions Urquhart has run such a bill. The 2015 Legislature is the time to pass it, Urquhart says. “The trend toward equality based on sex gender is undeniable,” Urquhart told UtahPolicy. “This is what people want, it is the right thing to do.” Urquhart, an attorney, said no long can the Utah Republican Party afford to be wrong on his anti-discrimination bill. “We can’t be wrong on this issue or we will lose an entire generation” of young people who are solidly in the anti-discrimination column. Jones finds that among those 18-24 years old Urquhart’s bill is supported 59-28 percent. Among those 25-34 years old, it is supported by three-fourths of that population. “My bill hurts no one. It helps a lot of individuals. It is positive for economic development.” The first year Urquhart’s bill got out of a Senate committee, but was never debated on the floor, and died. Last year GOP senators decided in a closed caucus not to hear any gay rights bills at all, with members saying they wanted to wait until an appeal on Utah’s same-sex marriage ban was heard by the Supreme Court. Well, a month ago the high court refused to hear any same-sex marriage appeals this term, letting stand a number of federal appellate court decisions striking down state anti-same-sex marriage laws, Utah’s Amendment 3 being one of them. -- Jones finds that even though Utah Republican rank-and-file still oppose same-sex marriage – that opposition is falling. In August 87 percent of Republicans opposed same-sex marriage. Now that number is 81 percent. Only 14 percent of Republicans – who are by far Utah’s majority party – support same-sex marriage. So don’t expect a pro-same-sex marriage law to pass any time soon in the Utah Legislature. -- Jones found an amazing shift in attitude – even when considering the poll’s margin of error – among those who say they are political independents, belonging to no party. Back in August, Jones found that independents opposed same-sex marriage, 54-31 percent. But in last week’s poll, independents have flipped – no doubt because of the high court’s ruling -- 51 percent now support same-sex marriage, 44 percent oppose. Democrats have always overwhelmingly supported same-sex marriage, various statewide polls over the years have shown. -- Urquhart said he’s pleased with other demographic findings in the new UtahPolicy poll. It’s rare that GOP legislators support measures that are roundly opposed by their party’s rank-and-file. Urquhart no long has that argument to make on his anti-discrimination bill. Jones finds that last August, Republicans favored Urquhart’s statewide law 50-36 percent. Now Republicans favor the bill 54-37 percent. Statewide, active Mormons support Urquhart’s bill, 58-35 percent. A hard-core third of Mormons and of Republicans still oppose carving out an anti-discrimination law for gays and lesbians in housing and employment – but a clear majority of both groups now support it. For Republican House and Senate members in Salt Lake County – who tend to have more moderate constituents – the writing seems to be on the wall for Urquhart’s bill. Finally, the bill is supported by 74 percent of political independents and 91 percent of Democrats, Jones finds. Adds Urquhart: “No longer should we be locked in a battle with Arizona to see who is the stupidest state in the West.” The Arizona Legislature has passed a number of controversial bills on same-sex issues in recent years. “We in Utah should be driven by equality and a level playing field in commerce.” Please enable JavaScript to view the comments powered by Disqus. 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Select Home Delivery * Today's Paper * Weekly Ads * Video * Photos * Data * Obituaries Hot Links: no title * NHL All-Star Weekend * Kroger liquor petition case * Dublin coyotes * High St. Donatos * Commemorative papers, posters * Obamacare tax * Home * News * Religion Clergy members gather in support of same-sex marriage More Religion stories * As Vatican revisits divorce, some long for acceptance * Licking County sheriff removes image of cross from Facebook page * Americans support suspending football players for domestic violence * Yoga marathon in Dublin part of international celebration * South African’s ministry finds home — in cave * Downtown rally focuses on plight of former prisoners More Religion Stories Religion Blog * Boutique catering to Muslims to open in mainstream mall Worship Directory Find a House of Worship By JoAnne Viviano The Columbus Dispatch • Wednesday October 22, 2014 6:47 AM * Comments: 7 * * * Ten days ago, the Rev. Tim Ahrens celebrated the union of a U.S. Marine and the love of his life. As they descended the steps of First Congregational Church United Church of Christ, the clergyman was struck by the power and beauty of the acceptance bestowed upon the same-sex couple by their fellow Marines. “I asked myself, ‘If the U.S. Marine Corps can get this, what is wrong with Ohio?’  ” said Ahrens, who serves as senior minister at the Downtown church. His voice boomed yesterday to the applause of about four-dozen clergy members gathered at King Avenue United Methodist Church to support Why Marriage Matters Ohio, a grassroots campaign that seeks legalization of same-sex marriage. The Rev. John Keeny, senior pastor at King Avenue, has blessed about two same-gender unions per month since June for couples who have legally married in other states after being together for as many as 20 years. “I believe in same-gender marriage because I’ve seen it,” he said. “I have seen the faithfulness. I have seen their frustration with each other, I have seen their arguments with each other. I have seen forgiveness and patience and thoughtfulness and tenderness.” Same-sex marriage is banned in Ohio under a constitutional amendment voters approved in 2004. Since that year, legislatures, judges and voters have made gay marriage legal in more than 30 other states and the District of Columbia. Some Christian denominations and most Islamic and Orthodox Jewish leaders oppose same-sex marriage. Religious leaders who support the unions typically belong to churches or sects that support gay marriage or are going against the official stance of their denominations. Ahrens calls himself a “recovering homophobe” who opposed gay marriage when he was ordained in 1985. Seven years later, he celebrated a gay couple’s union in his church, and he has consecrated and celebrated many same-sex marriages since. The Rev. Carmeka Benning, senior pastor at Driven by Purpose Ministries in the University District, said she spoke at the event because she recently saw firsthand how difficult it is for couples to use vacation days and spend extra money to marry in another state. She and her partner, Voncelle Davis-Benning, married in Niagara Falls, N.Y., in February. They said they will remarry in Ohio if it becomes legal here. Michael Premo, campaign manager for Why Marriage Matters Ohio, said the 200-some faith leaders throughout the state who back the cause are part of the reason there has been an explosive growth in support here. “There are so many people of faith that are speaking out and saying, ‘I believe in God, I’ve read my Scriptures, and I believe that God is love and God wants us to be happy and God wants us to treat others like we’d want to be treated,’  ” he said. Jon Zornes and Shawn Compton-Zornes also attended the event. They married in Washington and welcomed adopted daughter Gabriella Grace all within the past month. Zornes is the Ohio-born girl’s parent of record because both men cannot legally adopt her in the state. Still, they chose to adopt in Ohio because they want to give back to their community by making a family here. The couple decided to bring 2-week-old Gabriella, snuggled under a pink blanket, to the gathering. “We were debating,” Compton-Zornes said, “but it’s just as important to her as it is to us.” jviviano@dispatch.com @JoAnneViviano * Favorite * Print Story * Comments * Advertisement * • * Place an ad [DigitalD12Weeks_300x75.JPG?__scale=w:300,h:75,t:2,p:6,q:80,r:1] News Video More Videos Most Popular 1. 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In declining to decide whether states can prohibit gay marriage, the court last week rejected seven different appeals of court rulings striking down gay marriage bans, effectively giving the go-ahead to same-sex marriage in 11 states that previously outlawed it. “In some ways, the decision that was just handed down to not do anything about what states are doing on same-sex marriage may end up being as consequential — from my perspective, a positive sense — as anything that’s been done,” Obama was quoted as saying in an article about his legal legacy. Among major Supreme Court decisions during his six years in office was a 2012 ruling upholding the constitutionality of Obama's healthcare reform law, known as Obamacare. Obama, who in 2012 became the first U.S. president to publicly express support for gay marriage, told the magazine he now believed the Constitution required all states to allow same-sex marriage. “But, as you know, courts have always been strategic. 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But legal experts say such an appeal is unlikely to succeed. Over the past week, two federal judges – one in Asheville, one in Greensboro – have ruled that the amendment violates the U.S. Constitution and have ordered state officials to stop enforcing it. U.S. District Judge Max Cogburn denied legislative leaders’ request to be allowed to intervene in the case. However, U.S. District Judge William Osteen granted them standing in the case. That leaves the door open for a potential appeal of the ruling. However, constitutional and family law experts agree an appeal is unlikely to succeed. The court to which any North Carolina appeal would go would be the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the same court that ruled Virginia’s same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional. That was the ruling that led to North Carolina’s ban being overturned as well. University of North Carolina School of Law professor Maxine Eichner, who specializes in family law, predicts the 4th Circuit will refuse to hear the appeal, instead issuing a summary order upholding Osteen’s ruling. Legislators could also petition the court for an emergency stay that would put same-sex marriage on hold temporarily in North Carolina, but Eichner doubts that’s likely, either. In order for lawmakers to win on appeal, she said, “The 4th Circuit would have to reverse its previous decision. There is nothing to suggest that it would plan to do that.” Raleigh family law attorney Angela Haas, who represents gay and lesbian clients, agrees with Eichner that an appeal likely wouldn’t get a hearing. “The 4th Circuit has already ruled on the Virginia ban, which is very similar to the North Carolina ban. I don’t think they’re going get anywhere with it,” Haas said. “I think it’s a very futile attempt, but they’re going to fight to the death. They’re going to fight, fight, fight until there’s no other place that they can fight.” That final place would be the U.S. Supreme Court. Lawmakers could ask the justices for a discretionary review of the case and an emergency stay. Eichner predicts the Supreme Court will deny both the stay and the review, based on its actions in other recent marriage cases. “With the denial of certiorari in the seven other cases, it seems very difficult to imagine that they would accept review after they rejected review of the 4th Circuit decision before,” she said. “Because none of the circuit courts have found that the bans are constitutional, the Supreme Court is not getting involved yet,” Haas said. “There’s no dispute. All the circuits have been saying these bans are unconstitutional.” Some same-sex couples are worried their marriages could be invalidated if legislators should succeed in their attempt to get the ban reinstated, but Greg Wallace, a constitutional law professor at Campbell University said "the train has left the station" on that one. "I don’t think, all of the sudden, they would become unmarried because, at the time of the marriage, that was the law," said Wallace, who opposes gay marriage. "I don’t see any court saying, 'You’re no longer married.'" Haas said that could hypothetically happen if the ban were found to be constitutional. “I just think it’s so far-fetched that that’s going to occur. I don’t think people need to be worried about it. I think the 4th Circuit has ruled, which covers North Carolina, and I don’t think they’re going to overrule their decision,” she said. “We’re allowed to marry, and we’re going to continue to be allowed to marry. That’s my prediction. “I would say, if you want to get married and you can get married, get married,” she added. “Why not?” Eichner agreed. “It is very difficult to imagine that this is not over right now. How long it takes to sign the papers, I don’t know , but this is over,” she said. House Speaker Thom Tillis and Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger have previously said they plan to appeal. They have 30 days in which to file an appeal. Tillis' office did not respond to a request for an interview, and Berger's office said no one was available Wednesday. In a statement Tuesday evening, Berger said Osteen’s decision to allow legislative intervention “recognizes that the more than 60 percent of North Carolina voters who define marriage as between one man and one woman deserve their day in court, and this decision is an important step to ensure their voice is heard.” But Eichner says that argument holds no legal weight. “That’s why we have a constitution. We say that the public can vote on a number of issues, but they can’t vote on fundamental issues of constitutional rights that we have reserved,” she said. “The constitution trumps a vote of the people, and when there’s a violation of the constitution, the people don’t get to overrule that,” she added. “The majority doesn’t get to take away the fundamental rights of the minority, no matter how much they would wish to do it and how many of them voted to do it.” Wallace said state lawmakers would be better served by turning their attention to dealing with the fallout of the gay marriage ruling rather than continuing to fight it. "I think it would be better for the legislators to be looking at some statutory religious freedom protections for those who are going to be in the unusual position of being forced against their religious convictions to facilitate gay marriage," he said. Some North Carolina magistrates have already been called to task for refusing to marry same-sex couples. Credits Reporter Laura Leslie Photographer Greg Hutchinson Web Editor Matthew Burns Copyright 2014 by Capitol Broadcasting Company. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Triangle Area Special Offers * Everything's Included with Lennar Homes. Get more! * Spend smarter. Get more with Lennar Homes! * Register to Win a $12,000 Bathroom or Kitchen * Click to See All CONTESTS available from WRAL.com * 2014 VW Beetle $4000 off * 85 Comments * Increase Text Size * Print this story * Subscribe to RSS feed (BUTTON) Close Comments 85 Comments This blogpost is closed for comments. Oldest First (BUTTON) Newest First View all * iknowjack Oct 17, 1:34 p.m. To all you haters I just have this to say ... if you don't like the idea of gay marriage don't enter into one. Next case. (BUTTON) Report as abuse * Gidder Dun Oct 17, 12:47 p.m. Homosexual "marriage" is as likely to stay as Jim Crow, eugenics, Prohibition and the geocentric... View More — Posted by jeffdewitt Homosexual "marriage" is as likely to stay as Jim Crow, eugenics, Prohibition and the geocentric theory of the universe... and for much the same reasons. It's wrong and contrary to human nature and the way the universe is made. — Posted by jeffdewitt You post is contrary to human nature. (BUTTON) Report as abuse * Gidder Dun Oct 17, 12:43 p.m. Archmaker, the comparison to siblings reproducing is that same-sex couples reproducing is at... View More — Posted by johneggandsperm Archmaker, the comparison to siblings reproducing is that same-sex couples reproducing is at least as unethical, also not a right, and should be prohibited. Yes, same-sex couples would be providing unrelated genetic material, but it would still be genetic chaos, where who knows whether the imprinting is correct, etc. I also wasn't aware they've "already been able to make sperm from female stem cells and eggs from male stem cells." I know they've created early stage germ cells, but not mature gametes. do you have a link, or know any details to search for myself? — Posted by johneggandsperm Can you explain why/how you think a gay couple reproducing is "unethical"? — Posted by Tony Snark Can you explain why/how you think a gay couple reproducing is "unethical"? — Posted by Tony Snark Because they can't do it. Two Women Can't Reproduce unless they Use a MALE SPERM. And Two Male's... View More — Posted by bmac813 Because they can't do it. Two Women Can't Reproduce unless they Use a MALE SPERM. And Two Male's can't Reproduce, One day they will find a way. I do Remember here about a Year ago when The Guy was having a baby, The only Problem is He was a She, A WANT TO BE. God Knew when he made Man and Women, He gave the man the Pole and the Women the hole , There was a Propose there. Put all the gays on their Own Island and in 100 Year they will all be Gone. WHY they can't Reproduce, Unless the Male and Female get together, Than that tell me that it's wrong for two Men or Women to Marry. But you will never convince a Liberal of that. — Posted by bmac813 You do realize that straight people are giving birth to gay children right? (BUTTON) Report as abuse * Gidder Dun Oct 17, 12:42 p.m. I am a registered Democrat but after this ban was over turned the way it was I will never vote... View More — Posted by mlcompaq I am a registered Democrat but after this ban was over turned the way it was I will never vote for a democrat again !!! — Posted by mlcompaq The amendment being overturned really doesn't have anything to do with Dem or Rep and has... View More — Posted by corgimom06 The amendment being overturned really doesn't have anything to do with Dem or Rep and has everything to do with the fact that the amendment violated the US Constitution. People on both sides of the fence have supported or opposed this, but the Constitution trumps all of that. And it doesn't matter how many people voted for the amendment-the majority cannot deny rights to the minority. People may not agree with SSM just like I'm sure there are still some people that don't agree with interracial marriage, but too bad. Denying a right for some because you don't agree with it is no different than trying to ban doughnuts because you are on a diet. — Posted by corgimom06 ....Sexual orientation was never, nor will it ever be intended to be protected or used as a... View More — Posted by kennedy63 ....Sexual orientation was never, nor will it ever be intended to be protected or used as a civil right. Nor was the Constitution written to be used for or intended to be used to push a sexual agenda. Sexual orientation is not the same as race or gender civil rights. But really all of this is a mute point because you can pass all the laws you want with a judge who apparently decides he can throw the Majority's free American democratic vote away is far more dangerous than who gets to get married. What a tangle web we weave . But one thing is for sure and I know without a shadow of doubt with 100 percent certainty .God is in control and will settle all of this one day in his own way and time .The only thing that matters is you better be ready when that time comes. — Posted by kennedy63 By your logic heterosexuality is also a sexual orientation and should also be removed as a protected class right? (BUTTON) Report as abuse * krimson Oct 17, 11:52 a.m. It's not natural. Sorry, libs. It's not. — Posted by Alex25 It's not natural. Sorry, libs. It's not. — Posted by Alex25 Freedom can be scary huh??? (BUTTON) Report as abuse * Tony Snark Oct 17, 11:09 a.m. I have never understood why homosexual couples want to adopt children. If you reject the... View More — Posted by cooldela1966 I have never understood why homosexual couples want to adopt children. If you reject the opposite sex then why do you want the offspring from the union of man and woman?????? It does not make sense to me. Why do you want to adopt when you reject the union that produces the child? — Posted by cooldela1966 The instinct and desire to be a parent is shared by homosexuals. Those feelings are universal. Also, your question about why would they want a child produced by heterosexuals is very strange. They want a child just like anyone else. And what other kind is there? (BUTTON) Report as abuse * jeffdewitt Oct 17, 11:05 a.m. Homosexual "marriage" is as likely to stay as Jim Crow, eugenics, Prohibition and the geocentric theory of the universe... and for much the same reasons. It's wrong and contrary to human nature and the way the universe is made. (BUTTON) Report as abuse * krimson Oct 17, 11:00 a.m. I am a registered Democrat but after this ban was over turned the way it was I will never vote... View More — Posted by mlcompaq I am a registered Democrat but after this ban was over turned the way it was I will never vote for a democrat again !!! — Posted by mlcompaq The amendment being overturned really doesn't have anything to do with Dem or Rep and has... View More — Posted by corgimom06 The amendment being overturned really doesn't have anything to do with Dem or Rep and has everything to do with the fact that the amendment violated the US Constitution. People on both sides of the fence have supported or opposed this, but the Constitution trumps all of that. And it doesn't matter how many people voted for the amendment-the majority cannot deny rights to the minority. People may not agree with SSM just like I'm sure there are still some people that don't agree with interracial marriage, but too bad. Denying a right for some because you don't agree with it is no different than trying to ban doughnuts because you are on a diet. — Posted by corgimom06 ....Sexual orientation was never, nor will it ever be intended to be protected or used as a... View More — Posted by kennedy63 ....Sexual orientation was never, nor will it ever be intended to be protected or used as a civil right. Nor was the Constitution written to be used for or intended to be used to push a sexual agenda. Sexual orientation is not the same as race or gender civil rights. But really all of this is a mute point because you can pass all the laws you want with a judge who apparently decides he can throw the Majority's free American democratic vote away is far more dangerous than who gets to get married. What a tangle web we weave . But one thing is for sure and I know without a shadow of doubt with 100 percent certainty .God is in control and will settle all of this one day in his own way and time .The only thing that matters is you better be ready when that time comes. — Posted by kennedy63 You hit the Nail Right On The Head. — Posted by bmac813 You hit the Nail Right On The Head. — Posted by bmac813 Actually he missed by a mile. This wasn't about protecting a certain class of people, as with race or gender. And it wasn't about sexual orientation It was about the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th. It is about equal application of the law among all citizens which is at the heart of our American Freedom. You can argue and deny it all day long, but until you or anyone else comes up with a good argument to counter the SCOTUS opinion that these laws violate the EPC, you're just going to have to accept that people who are way smarter than us (and who have been selected precisely to make these kinds of decisions) have stated their opinion. And that opinion is that Amendment One violates the US Constitution... (BUTTON) Report as abuse * Alex25 Oct 17, 10:51 a.m. It's not natural. Sorry, libs. It's not. (BUTTON) Report as abuse * cooldela1966 Oct 17, 10:36 a.m. I have never understood why homosexual couples want to adopt children. If you reject the opposite sex then why do you want the offspring from the union of man and woman?????? It does not make sense to me. Why do you want to adopt when you reject the union that produces the child? (BUTTON) Report as abuse More... 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Hundreds of LGBT activists particpated in the rally to demand equal social and human rights for their community and stop social discrimination. AFP PHOTO/ Dibyangshu Sarkar (Photo credit should read DIBYANGSHU SARKAR/AFP/Getty Images) | DIBYANGSHU SARKAR via Getty Images + + Share + Tweet + + Email + Comment + Share on Google+ + tumblr + stumble + reddit Alarmed by the broad expansion of same-sex marriage set in motion by the U.S. Supreme Court, religious conservatives are moving their fight to state legislatures — seeking exemptions that would allow some groups, companies and people with religious objections to refuse benefits or service for gay spouses. But winning sweeping carve-outs for faith-affiliated adoption agencies or individual wedding vendors will be an uphill battle. Public attitudes against exceptions have hardened, and efforts by faith groups in states where courts, not lawmakers, recognized same-sex unions have had little success. "When the judiciary does it they don't do the kind of balancing that legislatures tend to do," said Tim Schultz, president of the 1st Amendment Partnership, which has organized legislative caucuses focused on religious liberty in 20 states. Every state legislative debate over gay marriage has addressed the question of whether religious objectors could be exempt in any way from recognizing same-sex unions. But in states where same-sex marriage became law through the courts, only one, Connecticut, followed up by enacting significant new exemptions. Massachusetts, Iowa and New Jersey have provided no opt-outs for gay marriage opponents. Until recently, gay rights groups accepted some exceptions to pick up badly needed votes from conservative lawmakers. But that political pressure has dropped as acceptance of same-sex unions has grown. Gay advocates say broad carve-outs perpetuate the very discrimination they had been working to end. That argument gained currency after the Hobby Lobby ruling last June. The high court decided the arts-and-crafts chain and other closely held private businesses with religious objections could opt out of providing employees the free contraceptive coverage required by the Affordable Care Act. While conservatives rejoiced, liberal groups were outraged, and many vowed to aggressively oppose exceptions for faith groups. Soon after, prominent gay rights and civil rights groups withdrew their support from the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act, or ENDA, because of the wide reach of its exemption. "I think there's a broad consensus that the rules should apply to everyone, which is why we withdrew our support from ENDA," said Jennifer Pizer, senior counsel at the national gay rights group Lambda Legal. "If you have different standards, then it communicates a message that some kinds of discrimination are not as serious as others." The religious exemption fight isn't about what happens inside the sanctuary. First Amendment protections for worship and clergy are clear. The concern instead is for religious organizations with some business in the public arena. That category includes faith-affiliated associations that rent their properties to the public for wedding receptions; religious charities that provide adoption and other social services, often with government funding; and individual religious objectors such as justices of the peace, government clerks or business owners. The exemptions approved so far have generally been much narrower than faith leaders sought, although opponents did win some meaningful concessions. About a half-dozen states allowed religious associations, such as the Knights of Columbus, or some faith-based nonprofits to deny specific benefits for gay couples — such as insurance for spouses — or refuse to serve them. A few states allowed privately funded adoption agencies to refuse to place children with gay couples. Religiously affiliated marriage support programs, such as Christian couples' retreats, were exempted in several states. But many of the states only reiterated First Amendment protections for worship. Still, the high court decision last week to turn away appeals by states trying to protect their same-sex marriage bans moves the debate over exemptions into territory that is more conservative, politically and religiously. Utah, Nevada and Idaho are heavily Mormon. South Carolina, where the attorney general is fighting to uphold the state's gay marriage ban despite the court ruling, is largely evangelical Protestant. "Some of the states are so red — think South Carolina — that the legislature can likely lock down all kinds of religious liberty protections, even those we have not yet seen adopted anywhere, like protection for the small mom-and-pop wedding professionals, simply because they have the votes of like-minded colleagues," said Robin Fretwell Wilson, a family law specialist at the University of Illinois, Champaign, who tracks exemptions in state laws. State Rep. Jacob Anderegg, a Utah Republican, said he plans to reintroduce a religious exemptions bill he had temporarily shelved amid the federal court cases on gay marriage in the last two years. His bill would allow anyone authorized by the state to solemnize marriages — including clergy and justices of the peace — to refuse on religious grounds to preside at same-sex marriages. "The bill reasserts and re-establishes fundamental principles: I have a religious objection. You can't force me or compel me to do it," Anderegg said. He expects a few other exemptions to be proposed in the next legislative session. Eric Hawkins, a spokesman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would not comment on any plans by the church to seek exceptions. Cathi Herrod, president of the Center for Arizona Policy, a conservative advocacy group, said her organization was still analyzing the impact of the court decision and hadn't yet decided on strategy. But she said, "the priority is to assure religious liberty is protected." She said the public can be moved to support religious exemptions through the cases of wedding cake bakers or photographers who have faced discrimination complaints for refusing to serve same-sex couples. "Our challenge is to get those stories out," Herrod said. But a controversy in Arizona last February over exemptions showed the limits on the public acceptance of broad opt-outs, even in conservative-leaning states. When state lawmakers expanded protections in the state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the national backlash from business leaders, gay rights groups and others was so intense that Republican Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed the measure. Advocates for the bill said critics massively overreacted. Proponents argued the bill would have given objectors only the chance to bring a religious liberty claim before a court. But critics argued the legislation would have effectively allowed businesses to refuse service to gays and lesbians without penalty, especially given that Arizona has no statewide nondiscrimination policy that covers sexual orientation. "There will be a temptation to enact broad exemptions in states that otherwise would oppose same-sex marriage," said John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron's Bliss Institute for Applied Politics. "However, overly broad exemptions can backfire as well: They can be perceived as intolerant and discriminatory." 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Your Right to Know * Justices can restore sanity by clarifying 'overly broad' By Jack Torry The Columbus Dispatch • Sunday October 12, 2014 10:11 AM * Comments: 17 * * * [marriage12-art0-gvsukc72-1fiscal-summit-jpeg-08a75.jpg?__scale=w:660,h:440,t:1,c:ffffff,q:80,r:1] View Slideshow Request to buy this photoAP file photo Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, favors gay marriage, but that position could hurt him in the early primaries if he runs for president in 2016. WASHINGTON — The reaction would have been very different 10 years ago: Had the U.S. Supreme Court struck down bans on same-sex marriage in any state in 2004, conservative Republicans would have howled in protest. But this week, when the justices upheld lower-court rulings that essentially legalized same-sex marriage in five states, a sizable number of Republicans seemed to shrug off the news as no big deal. The relatively quiet GOP response — House Speaker John Boehner of West Chester never even commented on it — is a sign that a divisive issue across the country a decade ago has become acceptable to many Americans. A Pew Research Center survey last month showed that 49 percent of Americans favor same-sex marriage, while 41 percent oppose it. A Pew poll from 2004 showed that, at the time, 60 percent of Americans opposed gay marriage, while 31 percent supported it. Ten years after voters in Ohio approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, 62 percent to 38 percent, half of the states and the District of Columbia permit same-sex marriage. A Washington Post poll last year showed that 81 percent of people younger than 30 support same-sex marriage. “Nothing has changed quicker in the political environment than the politics surrounding gay marriage,” said David Leland, former chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party and a candidate this year for the Ohio House. “There has been a sea change of enormous proportions in the past 10 years. I think the silence from the Republicans is reflective of that.” Analysts say that as the issue fades, it will be less of an obstacle for potential Republican presidential candidates such as Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio who favor same-sex marriage. Portman announced last year that his son Will is gay and reversed his longtime opposition to same-sex marriage. Portman was the first sitting GOP senator to publicly support gay marriage. Barry Bennett, a Republican consultant in Washington and a Portman adviser, said Portman’s position would “ absolutely” help him if he could win the GOP nomination. “Our problems in the general are primarily driven by voters seeing us as not caring and not compassionate,” Bennett said. “They won’t see Rob that way.” Yet Portman’s stance is fraught with political danger. Politico.com reported this week that only four House Republicans and four Senate Republicans support same-sex marriage. Republicans might not want to talk about same-sex marriage, but they are not embracing it, either. The Pew poll shows that only 34 percent of Republicans back same-sex marriage and that 75 percent of white evangelicals — who make up a strong segment of GOP voters in the early presidential contests of Iowa and South Carolina — oppose gay marriage. “He’ll never get through the primary,” Mary Anne Marsh, a Democratic consultant in Boston, said of Portman. “While Portman, on paper, could be a good general-election candidate , the people who dominate the Republican primary process oppose gay marriage. Period.” Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values in Ohio, said, “There’s no way that it has helped him, and it continues to hurt him. He’s damaged goods.” He predicted that Portman is “ not even going to keep his seat in 2016.” In a statement, Portman said he backs “same-sex marriage and the Supreme Court’s ruling opens up the possibility of marriage to more Americans.” But Portman said that “the best way to achieve enduring change is at the kitchen table, not in the courtroom. It is citizens persuading their fellow citizens, and it is happening all across the country.” While Portman was one of the few Republicans to praise the court’s ruling, most GOP officials said nothing, suggesting they hoped to avoid a blistering controversy before the November congressional elections. But some were not so reticent. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, assailed the court’s decisions as “both tragic and indefensible,” and he vowed to introduce a constitutional amendment “to prevent the federal government or the courts from attacking or striking down state marriage laws.” Cruz is likely to run for president, and his opposition to same-sex marriage would resonate with social conservatives who make up a large percentage of Republicans voting in the 2016 Iowa caucuses. In 2012, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, an ardent opponent of abortion rights and same-sex marriage, won Iowa with 25 percent of the vote, while in 2008, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee — another social conservative — won with 34 percent. But those close to Portman point out that neither Santorum nor Huckabee were able to win the nomination. They suggest that a number of GOP voters in Iowa might overlook a candidate’s position on same-sex marriage. “There are still a huge chunk of people who are caucus voters who will agree with Portman on this,” said one Republican who spoke on condition of anonymity. “I don’t think the gay marriage thing was a deal-breaker anyway. With the passing of time, it’s becoming less and less of an issue." As recently as 2004, opposition to same-sex marriage might have helped President George W. Bush win Ohio, whose electoral votes gave him a second term. Bush carried the state on the same day that voters approved an amendment to the Ohio constitution banning same-sex marriage. “It was the factor,” Burress said in explaining why Bush won. Others, however, are not as certain. Post-election analysis showed that in the Ohio precincts where Bush performed the strongest, he won more votes than the gay-marriage ballot issue. “Statistically, there is no evidence that the gay-marriage amendment in 2004 influenced the outcome of the Ohio presidential election,” said Mike Dawson, author of OhioElectionResults.com. * Favorite * Print Story * Comments * Advertisement * • * Place an ad [DigitalD12Weeks_300x75.JPG?__scale=w:300,h:75,t:2,p:6,q:80,r:1] News Video More Videos Most Popular 1. Buckeyes’ Miller still has an exit route Most Shared * Latest Headlines * Today's Paper * Top Story Feed * Advertisement * • * Place an ad News Blogs [icon-blog-politics.jpg] The Daily Briefing Reps talk to protect Ohio's military installations “Today is the start of a conversation to make sure we are all on the same... [icon-blog-politics.jpg] The Daily Briefing Stivers reintroduces bill aimed at helping newborns born addicted Rep. 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Mike Huckabee, faith absolutely trumps politics, so much so that he has no reservations about casting off the R beside his name if the GOP abandons its opposition to same-sex marriage. “If the Republicans want to lose guys like me — and a whole bunch of still God-fearing Bible-believing people — go ahead and just abdicate on this issue, and why you’re at it, go ahead and say abortion doesn’t matter, either,” Huckabee said on the American Family Association’s radio show this week during a discussion on gay marriage. “Because at that point, you lose me,” he continued. “I’m gone. I’ll become an independent. I’ll start finding people that have guts to stand. I’m tired of this.” Huckabee’s comments came after the Supreme Court announced earlier this week that they will not take up gay marriage, thereby clearing the way for same-sex marriages in Wisconsin, Virginia, Utah, Oklahoma, and Indiana. This, of course, provides an opportunity for some GOP candidates who wish to avoid the issue to do just that: The Supreme Court’s decision Monday clearing the way for same-sex marriages in five states may benefit an unlikely group: Republican lawmakers who can’t wait to stop talking about gay marriage, an issue that is increasingly becoming a drag for the party. Advisors to multiple likely 2016 candidates told TIME after the news broke that they are hopeful that swift action by the Supreme Court will provide them cover. “We don’t have to agree with the decision, but as long as we’re not against it we should be okay,” said one aide to a 2016 contender who declined to be named to speak candidly on the sensitive topic. “The base, meanwhile, will focus its anger on the Court, and not on us.” “I am utterly exasperated with Republicans and the so-called leadership of the Republicans who have abdicated on this issue when, if they continue this direction they guarantee they’re gonna lose every election in the future,” Huckabee said. “Guarantee it.” “And I don’t understand why they want to lose,” he continued. “Because a lot of Republicans, particularly in the establishment and those who live on either the left coast or those who live up in the bubbles of New York and Washington, are convinced that if we don’t capitulate on the same sex marriage issue and if we don’t raise the white flag of surrender, and just accept it as inevitable, we’ll be losers.” “I tell you,” he said. “It’s the absolute opposite of that.” * Topics: * Gay Marriage * GOP * Mike Huckabee _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ * * Leah Barkoukis Leah Barkoukis Follow @twitterapi Leah Barkoukis is the online features editor at Townhall.com. 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The Wire features the latest news coverage from The Atlantic. Is Support for Gay Marriage Dropping? Don’t Count On It A Pew poll last week showed a small dip, but the overall trend—and more importantly, the underlying fundamentals—haven't changed. Robert P. Jones and Daniel Cox Oct 2 2014, 10:12 AM ET * * Share on Facebook * Twitter * LinkedIn * InstaPaper * Pocket * Pinterest * Tumblr * Email * Print * Comments [lead.jpg?ncto48] A box of cupcakes topped with icons of same-sex couples at City Hall in San Francisco (Stephen Lam/Reuters) Last week, a Pew Research Center poll showed a 5-point drop in support for same-sex marriage between February (54 percent) and September (49 percent) of this year. The result set off much media speculation about the larger public-opinion trends. Maggie Gallagher, former president of the National Organization for Marriage, leapt on the findings in an article titled, “Gay-Marriage Support Falling: A new poll reverses a years-old trend” in National Review. Others, such as Rachel Zoll at the Associated Press and Gabriel Arana at Salon, were more circumspect. Most of the articles followed Pew’s suggestion that it was too early to say what the finding means for the longer-term trends. But is a wait-and-see approach really all that can be said about the meaning of this finding? There are two keys to interpreting the meaning of any survey that runs counter to long-term trends: putting it into context with other surveys, and examining the underlying fundamentals driving the trend. The chart below plots the findings of 33 polls conducted by Public Religion Research Institute between November 2011 and the present, including 22 polls conducted in 2014 alone. Notably, like Pew’s recent poll, PRRI also found that support dipped below 50 percent in two of these polls (with ending field dates of May 18 and August 15) in the past year. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Views on Same-Sex Marriage, 2011-2014 Public Religion Research Institute surveys _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That said, there are four reasons why dips in support for same-sex marriage in individual polls do not indicate a reversal of the current trend. 1. The trend line from 2011 to 2014 for same-sex marriage support remains positive, while the trend line for opposition remains negative. In October 2011, the public was divided, with 48 percent in favor of allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry and 46 percent opposing. In 2012, polls generally showed a plurality of Americans favoring same-sex marriage. By 2013 and into 2014, polls consistently showed majority support for same-sex marriage. The downward trend on the opposition side shows similar consistency. 2. The polling results this year are generally stable, and the average across 22 polls conducted in 2014 shows a double-digit difference between support (52.5 percent) and opposition (39.0 percent) for same-sex marriage. Only two of the 22 surveys conducted by PRRI in 2014 showed support below 50 percent; one found support at 50 percent. The other 19 polls found support for same-sex marriage in majority territory between 51 and 56 percent. 3. Even in the few polls that do show a dip in support for same-sex marriage, there is no corresponding bump in opposition. In the 2014 surveys that show a dip in support for same-sex marriage, including the Pew survey and the two PRRI surveys, the dip is not mirrored by an equivalent increase in opposition, but there is a rise in non-response. The Pew survey, for example, showed a five-point drop in support between February 2014 and September 2014, but only a two-point increase in opposition of same-sex marriage. The portion of respondents who offered no opinion, however, increased by three percentage points to 10 percent. 4. The fundamentals driving increased support for same-sex marriage have not changed. The trend of increased support for same-sex marriage is primarily the result of strong support among younger Americans, and they continue to be the primary drivers of this issue. In PRRI’s most recently released survey, nearly 7 in 10 (69 percent) young adults (age 18 to 29) favor same-sex marriage, compared to only one-third (33 percent) of seniors (age 65 and older). By all current indicators, generational replacement is the slow-moving steamroller that will continue to pave a path toward greater support for same-sex marriage. Younger Americans are also transforming religious institutions, which have historically been the epicenters of opposition to same-sex marriage. In 2003, there was no major religious group among which a majority supported same-sex marriage. Today, majorities of Jews (72 percent) and both white Catholics (53 percent) and Latino Catholics (55 percent) support same-sex marriage, as do half (50 percent) of white mainline Protestants. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Views on Same-Sex Marriage by Age PRRI, American Values Survey, September 2014 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This does not mean support for same-sex marriage will reach majority support in all 50 states next year—or even the year after. Opponents are often more politically active than supporters, and they tend to be geographically or culturally clustered in ways that give them outsized influence at the local level. Even so, there are already some surprising changes, such as support reaching the 50 percent mark among Americans living in the Midwest and in American suburbs. We don’t have to wait for new polling to say that the few polls showing a dip in support for same-sex marriage are outliers in a larger trend. The incoming tide of support for same-sex marriage may ebb and flow, but it is unlikely to recede as the youngest generation replaces the eldest and as American attitudes across the board continue to shift. Presented by Jump to Comments * * Share on Facebook * Twitter * LinkedIn * InstaPaper * Pocket * Pinterest * Tumblr * Reddit * Email * Print * Comments [author-headshot.jpg?n5gxx0] Robert P. 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In 1989, not so much Pope Francis Vatican Weddings More Pope’s Marriage Celebrations Hint at Coming Changes for Church An Evangelical Defense of Traditional Marriage Twenty-five years ago, on Oct. 1, 1989, Denmark became the first country to grant legal status to same-sex couples, allowing gay Danes to enter into domestic partnerships. Since then, dozens of countries have followed suit, as well as many U.S. states. But Denmark in 1989 was an aberration — particularly to that country’s more conservative cousins in the United States. A TIME/CNN poll that year found that fully 69% of Americans opposed gay marriage in 1989, and 75% felt that gay couples should not be allowed to adopt children. A prescient TIME story from November of that year, of which the poll was part, argued the merits of domestic partnerships — and went as far as to endorse gay marriage, despite the overwhelming unpopularity of that position at the time. Same-sex partnerships faced deeply entrenched opposition, from forces as diverse as major insurance companies concern about extending coverage to unmarried partners and social conservatives concerned about morals, Walter Isaacson wrote. When San Franciscans proposed that year allowing gay couples to register their relationships, John R. Quinn, the city’s Archbishop, called the idea a “serious blow to our society’s historic commitment to supporting marriage and family life.” And David Blankenhorn at the Institute for American values said the domestic-partnership movement “misses the whole point of why we confer privileges on family relationships.” A quarter century later, it’s easy to forget how much societal mores have changed. In the intervening years, views on same-sex marriage have flipped, with 59% of Americans supporting it and just 34% opposed, according to a March 2014 poll by the Washington Post-ABC News. In his 1989 column in TIME’s pages, Isaacson countered the prevailing views. He made a firm argument in favor of gay marriage that may have sounded eccentric in 1989 but has became mainstream in 2014. He writes: Domestic-partnership rights and legal gay marriages… can be justified to the extent that the couples involved profess a willingness to accept the mutual financial obligations, community-property rights and shared commitments to care for each other that are the basis of family life. With this broader goal in mind, it makes sense for society to allow — indeed to encourage — domestic partners both gay and straight to take on all the rights as well as the responsibilities of marriage. 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(AP) — A judge struck down part of Missouri's gay marriage ban for the first time on Friday by ordering the state to recognize same-sex marriages legally performed in other states, saying state laws banning the unions single out gay couples "for no logical reason." The order means such couples will be eligible to sign up for a wide range of tax, health insurance, veterans and other benefits now afforded to opposite-sex married couples. Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster, who has defended the state's ban on gay marriage, said his office was reviewing the ruling. The decision comes in a lawsuit filed by 10 same-sex couples who legally married outside the state, including Arlene Zarembka and Zuleyma Tang-Martinez. The St. Louis couple, who married in Canada, said Friday's ruling could boost their household income, and they plan to apply Monday for Zarembka to receive Social Security benefits as Tang-Martinez's spouse. "To me, it's a real validation by the judge of our relationship and our commitment to each other," Tang-Martinez said. The American Civil Liberties Union, which is helping the couples, noted the ruling was a first in the state. "We're gratified that the court recognized that married same-sex couples and their families are no different than other couples, and that the Constitution requires them to be treated equally," ACLU attorney Tony Rothert said. "This is not the first court to reach this conclusion, but it is the first court to do so in Missouri, so it's a tremendous day for our state." Jackson County Circuit Judge J. Dale Youngs sided with the couples, who argue that their rights to equal protection and due process are being violated by Missouri's ban on gay marriage. Youngs said the couples deserve the same recognition as opposite-sex couples who married in other states. "The undisputed facts before the Court show that, to the extent these laws prohibit plaintiffs' legally contracted marriages from other states being recognized here, they are wholly irrational, do not rest upon any reasonable basis, and are purely arbitrary," Youngs wrote. "All they do is treat one segment of the population — gay men and lesbians — differently than their same-sex counterparts, for no logical reason." The lawsuit before Youngs only challenges Missouri's refusal to recognize marriages legally performed outside the state, not laws that bar same-sex couples from getting married in Missouri. Rothert said the ruling means that thousands of Missouri couples can now qualify for spousal government benefits and, on a smaller level, change their last names to match their spouse's on their Missouri driver's license. The case is among at least three challenging Missouri's ban: There is a federal challenge in Kansas City, and a St. Louis case focuses on city officials who issued marriage licenses to four same-sex couples to trigger a legal test of the ban. The lawsuits are based on the same arguments that led the U.S. Supreme Court last year to overturn part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act that denied a tax, health and other benefits to legally married gay couples. In Missouri, Youngs said he expects the state Supreme Court to "provide the last word on all of the important legal issues presented by this case." Same-sex marriage is now legal in 19 states and the District of Columbia. The ACLU has cases pending against 13 other states with such bans, including five cases currently before federal appeals courts. ___ Associated Press writers Summer Ballentine and David A. Lieb contributed to this report from Jefferson City, Missouri. Also on HuffPost: Close  10 Incredible Improvements For LGBT People Since The First State Legalized Gay Marriage of   * * * Massachusetts Becomes The First Massachusetts became the first state to welcome gay marriages in 2004. Since then, 17 states and Washington, DC have followed their lead and now allow same-sex couples to tie the knot. * Increase In Support Of Marriage Equality Only 37 percent of Americans supported marriage equality for same-sex couples in in 2003. Now, in 2014, 59 percent of individuals support this right. * DOMA The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) passed in 1996, barring same-sex couples from marrying at the federal level. The Supreme Court struck down the core of this legislation in 2013, ensuring 1,100+ federal protections for gay couples. * Protections For Transgender Minors The American Psychiatric Association announced in December 2012 that identifying as transgender is no longer considered a disorder, 38 years after removing same-sex attraction from its list of disorders. * Obama Supports Marriage Equality President Barack Obama made history in 2012 when he came out in support of marriage equality for same-sex couples. The decision made him the first American sitting president in history to make such a move. * LGBT Allies In Hollywood Over the past ten years we've seen an explosion of support for the LGBT community in Hollywood, from LGBT celebrities themselves like Lady Gaga and Ellen DeGeneres, to non-queer allies like Brad Pitt and Anne Hathaway. * Serve Openly In The Military President Barack Obama signed the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in September 2011, reversing President Bill Clinton's 1993 legislation that barred lesbians and gays from serving openly in the military. Transgender individuals, however, are still not allowed to openly reveal their gender identity while serving. * Opposition: No Longer Relevant Anti-gay organizations such as the National Organization for Marriage and Family Research Council are becoming increasingly silent and slowly losing funding. The Catholic Church has also begun to show a shifting away from anti-gay attacks, particularly with Pope Francis' iconic "Who am I to judge?" proclamation. * Hospital Visitation Rights In 2010, President Obama ordered that hospitals receiving Medicare and Medicaid payments must grant patients the right to designate who can visit and consult with them, enabling hospital visitation rights for same-sex couples. * Marriage Equality Court Cases Couples fighting for the right to marry are continuing to legally challenge their right to marry at the state level. 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In an interview with the New Yorker's Jeffrey Toobin, President Obama now believes that same-sex couples in every state should be allowed to marry under the equal protection clause of the Constitution — a significant switch from his earlier stance in May 2012, when he believed the issue was best left to the states. Here's the relevant passage from Toobin's lengthy interview on how the president is planning to shape his "judicial legacy": "Ultimately, I think the Equal Protection Clause does guarantee same-sex marriage in all fifty states," he said. "But, as you know, courts have always been strategic. There have been times where the stars were aligned and the Court, like a thunderbolt, issues a ruling like Brown v. Board of Education, but that's pretty rare. And, given the direction of society, for the Court to have allowed the process to play out the way it has may make the shift less controversial and more lasting." "The bulk of my nominees, twenty years ago or even ten years ago, would have been considered very much centrists, well within the mainstream of American jurisprudence, not particularly fire-breathing or ideologically driven," Obama went on. "So the fact that now Democratic appointees and Republican appointees tend to vote differently on issues really has more to do with the shift in the Republican Party and in the nature of Republican-appointed jurists ... Democrats haven't moved from where they were." The background: This is the second time Obama has shifted on gay marriage. As Bloomberg View noted in February, before holding a "state's rights" view of gay marriage, the president has long had "cold feet" on subject. In 2004, then-Senate candidate Obama said that he did not believe marriage was a civil right, specifying that he believed marriage was between a man and a woman who were "performing something before God." In 2010, he repealed "don't ask, don't tell" (the policy prohibiting gays from serving openly in the military) and endorsed civil unions, remaining opposed to gay marriage. In 2011, senior White House adviser Dan Pfeiffer denied that the president had ever supported gay marriage in the first place. Later that year, Obama told ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he was "working on it." In May 2012, Vice President Joe Biden accidentally came out in favor of gay marriage well before the president was willing to on Meet the Press, triggering furious reactions from Obama and the White House. That evolution now seems to be over. While it's long been an open secret that the president holds liberal views on the issue but feared that acknowledging them might alienate constituents, he is firmly out of the gay-rights closet. And all it took was two major Supreme Court decisions, 31 states legalizing it and skyrocketing public support to wrench him out of it. Why you should care: To some extent, Obama's support for gay marriage doesn't matter: The country has already evolved right past him and other prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton. A GOP-controlled House (and possibly soon the Senate) means that any federal legislation on the topic is off the table for the next two years, while it's very unlikely the Roberts court will see any justices replaced before the end of Obama's second term. But Obama openly backing the right of gay couples to marry — and laying out a constitutional justification for it — is still a major milestone for the gay rights movement. It will now be significantly harder for any potential successor to backtrack on gay marriage, and the support of the nation's leader will make Republican opposition to same-sex marriage look increasingly bigoted. Coupled with his historic executive order protecting all federal contractors against LGBT discrimination, the president may still squeak out of this one with a progressive legacy. Had the nation not gotten over its homophobia so fast, we might still be waiting for the first openly pro-gay president. Like us on Facebook: SHARE TWEET Tom McKay's avatar image Tom McKay Tom is a Live News columnist for Mic, where he writes about politics, media, and technology. 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Tell me more | Cookie preferences Breaking News Please select your default edition: (*) International ( ) U.S. ( ) Mexico International Edition * U.S. * International * Arabic * Español * Mexico * Set edition preference Sign in (BUTTON) ____________________ (BUTTON) * News + World + Sport + Technology + Entertainment + Style + Travel + Money * Regions + U.S. + China + Africa + Latin America + Asia + Europe + Middle East * Video + Stories Worth Watching + Shows + CNN en Español * TV + TV Shows + Schedule + Anchors and Reporters * Features * Opinions + iReport + CNN Profiles A-Z * More… + Photos + Weather + CNN Mobile + Tools & Extras + CNN Arabic + CNN Español + CNN Mexico + CNN Facebook + CNN Twitter + CNN Google+ + CNN Heroes + Impact Your World + CNN Freedom Project + Quick Links + Photos + Weather + CNN Mobile + Tools & Extras CNN Arabic CNN Español CNN Mexico CNN Facebook CNN Twitter CNN Google+ CNN Heroes Impact Your World CNN Freedom Project Justices poised to tackle constitutional right of same-sex marriage By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer Updated 1148 GMT (1848 HKT) September 26, 2014 Newlyweds Jeff Delmay and Todd Delmay hug during a marriage ceremony in a Miami courtroom on Monday, January 5. Florida began allowing same-sex marriages after a judge -- following similar rulings across the nation -- struck down the state's old law banning such unions. Newlyweds Jeff Delmay and Todd Delmay hug during a marriage ceremony in a Miami courtroom on Monday, January 5. Florida began allowing same-sex marriages after a judge -- following similar rulings across the nation -- struck down the state's old law banning such unions. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Newlyweds Jeff Delmay and Todd Delmay hug during a marriage ceremony in a Miami courtroom on Monday, January 5. Florida began allowing same-sex marriages after a judge -- following similar rulings across the nation -- struck down the state's old law banning such unions. Hide Caption 1 of 31 Chad Biggs, left, and his fiance, Chris Creech, say their wedding vows at the Wake County Courthouse in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Friday, October 10, after a federal judge ruled that same-sex marriage can begin there. Chad Biggs, left, and his fiance, Chris Creech, say their wedding vows at the Wake County Courthouse in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Friday, October 10, after a federal judge ruled that same-sex marriage can begin there. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Chad Biggs, left, and his fiance, Chris Creech, say their wedding vows at the Wake County Courthouse in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Friday, October 10, after a federal judge ruled that same-sex marriage can begin there. Hide Caption 2 of 31 Joshua Gunter, right, and Bryan Shields attend a rally in Las Vegas to celebrate an appeals court ruling that overturned Nevada's same-sex marriage ban on Tuesday, October 7. Joshua Gunter, right, and Bryan Shields attend a rally in Las Vegas to celebrate an appeals court ruling that overturned Nevada's same-sex marriage ban on Tuesday, October 7. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Joshua Gunter, right, and Bryan Shields attend a rally in Las Vegas to celebrate an appeals court ruling that overturned Nevada's same-sex marriage ban on Tuesday, October 7. Hide Caption 3 of 31 From left, plaintiffs Moudi Sbeity; his partner, Derek Kitchen; Kody Partridge; and Partridge's wife, Laurie Wood, celebrate after a news conference in Salt Lake City on Monday, October 6. The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for legal same-sex marriages in five more states -- Virginia, Utah, Nevada, Indiana and Wisconsin. From left, plaintiffs Moudi Sbeity; his partner, Derek Kitchen; Kody Partridge; and Partridge's wife, Laurie Wood, celebrate after a news conference in Salt Lake City on Monday, October 6. The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for legal same-sex marriages in five more states -- Virginia, Utah, Nevada, Indiana and Wisconsin. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos From left, plaintiffs Moudi Sbeity; his partner, Derek Kitchen; Kody Partridge; and Partridge's wife, Laurie Wood, celebrate after a news conference in Salt Lake City on Monday, October 6. The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way for legal same-sex marriages in five more states -- Virginia, Utah, Nevada, Indiana and Wisconsin. Hide Caption 4 of 31 Abbi Huber, left, and Talia Frolkis exit the City County Building in Madison, Wisconsin, after applying for a marriage license on October 6. Abbi Huber, left, and Talia Frolkis exit the City County Building in Madison, Wisconsin, after applying for a marriage license on October 6. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Abbi Huber, left, and Talia Frolkis exit the City County Building in Madison, Wisconsin, after applying for a marriage license on October 6. Hide Caption 5 of 31 Rob MacPherson, right, and his husband, Steven Stolen, hug during a news conference at the American Civil Liberties Union in Indianapolis on October 6. Rob MacPherson, right, and his husband, Steven Stolen, hug during a news conference at the American Civil Liberties Union in Indianapolis on October 6. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Rob MacPherson, right, and his husband, Steven Stolen, hug during a news conference at the American Civil Liberties Union in Indianapolis on October 6. Hide Caption 6 of 31 Mary Bishop, second from left, and Sharon Baldwin, right, celebrate with family and friends following their wedding ceremony on the courthouse steps in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on October 6. Mary Bishop, second from left, and Sharon Baldwin, right, celebrate with family and friends following their wedding ceremony on the courthouse steps in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on October 6. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Mary Bishop, second from left, and Sharon Baldwin, right, celebrate with family and friends following their wedding ceremony on the courthouse steps in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on October 6. Hide Caption 7 of 31 Jennifer Melsop, left, and Erika Turner kiss after they were married in front of the Arlington County Courthouse in Arlington, Virginia, on October 6. Jennifer Melsop, left, and Erika Turner kiss after they were married in front of the Arlington County Courthouse in Arlington, Virginia, on October 6. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Jennifer Melsop, left, and Erika Turner kiss after they were married in front of the Arlington County Courthouse in Arlington, Virginia, on October 6. Hide Caption 8 of 31 Pastor Carol Hill from Epworth United Methodist Church speaks during a marriage-equality ceremony at the Kathy Osterman Beach in Chicago on Sunday, June 1. June 1 marked the first day that all of Illinois' 102 counties could begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Pastor Carol Hill from Epworth United Methodist Church speaks during a marriage-equality ceremony at the Kathy Osterman Beach in Chicago on Sunday, June 1. June 1 marked the first day that all of Illinois' 102 counties could begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Pastor Carol Hill from Epworth United Methodist Church speaks during a marriage-equality ceremony at the Kathy Osterman Beach in Chicago on Sunday, June 1. June 1 marked the first day that all of Illinois' 102 counties could begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Hide Caption 9 of 31 William Roletter, left, and Paul Rowe, right, press close to each other after having their photo taken with their newly acquired marriage certificate Wednesday, May 21, at City Hall in Philadelphia. William Roletter, left, and Paul Rowe, right, press close to each other after having their photo taken with their newly acquired marriage certificate Wednesday, May 21, at City Hall in Philadelphia. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos William Roletter, left, and Paul Rowe, right, press close to each other after having their photo taken with their newly acquired marriage certificate Wednesday, May 21, at City Hall in Philadelphia. Hide Caption 10 of 31 Julie Engbloom, left, and Laurie Brown embrace after they were wed in Portland, Oregon, on Monday, May 19. A federal judge struck down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage. Julie Engbloom, left, and Laurie Brown embrace after they were wed in Portland, Oregon, on Monday, May 19. A federal judge struck down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Julie Engbloom, left, and Laurie Brown embrace after they were wed in Portland, Oregon, on Monday, May 19. A federal judge struck down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage. Hide Caption 11 of 31 Jennifer Rambo, right, kisses her partner, Kristin Seaton, after their marriage ceremony in front of the Carroll County Courthouse in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, on Saturday, May 10. Rambo and Seaton were the first same-sex couple to be granted a marriage license in Eureka Springs after a judge overturned Amendment 83, which banned same-sex marriage in Arkansas. Jennifer Rambo, right, kisses her partner, Kristin Seaton, after their marriage ceremony in front of the Carroll County Courthouse in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, on Saturday, May 10. Rambo and Seaton were the first same-sex couple to be granted a marriage license in Eureka Springs after a judge overturned Amendment 83, which banned same-sex marriage in Arkansas. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Jennifer Rambo, right, kisses her partner, Kristin Seaton, after their marriage ceremony in front of the Carroll County Courthouse in Eureka Springs, Arkansas, on Saturday, May 10. Rambo and Seaton were the first same-sex couple to be granted a marriage license in Eureka Springs after a judge overturned Amendment 83, which banned same-sex marriage in Arkansas. Hide Caption 12 of 31 Same-sex couples get their marriage licenses at the Oakland County Courthouse in Pontiac, Michigan, on Saturday, March 22, a day after a federal judge overturned Michigan's ban on same-sex marriage. Same-sex couples get their marriage licenses at the Oakland County Courthouse in Pontiac, Michigan, on Saturday, March 22, a day after a federal judge overturned Michigan's ban on same-sex marriage. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Same-sex couples get their marriage licenses at the Oakland County Courthouse in Pontiac, Michigan, on Saturday, March 22, a day after a federal judge overturned Michigan's ban on same-sex marriage. Hide Caption 13 of 31 Utah state Sen. Jim Dabakis, left, and Stephen Justesen acknowledge the crowd after being married in Salt Lake City in December 2013. Utah state Sen. Jim Dabakis, left, and Stephen Justesen acknowledge the crowd after being married in Salt Lake City in December 2013. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Utah state Sen. Jim Dabakis, left, and Stephen Justesen acknowledge the crowd after being married in Salt Lake City in December 2013. Hide Caption 14 of 31 Plaintiffs Laurie Wood, left, and Kody Partridge, center, walk with attorney Peggy Tomsic in December 2013 after a judge heard arguments challenging Utah's same-sex marriage ban. Plaintiffs Laurie Wood, left, and Kody Partridge, center, walk with attorney Peggy Tomsic in December 2013 after a judge heard arguments challenging Utah's same-sex marriage ban. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Plaintiffs Laurie Wood, left, and Kody Partridge, center, walk with attorney Peggy Tomsic in December 2013 after a judge heard arguments challenging Utah's same-sex marriage ban. Hide Caption 15 of 31 Hawaiian Gov. Neil Abercrombie, left, and former Sen. Avery Chumbley celebrate with a copy of the Star-Advertiser after Abercrombie signed a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in Hawaii in November 2013. Hawaiian Gov. Neil Abercrombie, left, and former Sen. Avery Chumbley celebrate with a copy of the Star-Advertiser after Abercrombie signed a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in Hawaii in November 2013. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Hawaiian Gov. Neil Abercrombie, left, and former Sen. Avery Chumbley celebrate with a copy of the Star-Advertiser after Abercrombie signed a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in Hawaii in November 2013. Hide Caption 16 of 31 Newark, New Jersey, Mayor Cory Booker officiates a wedding ceremony for Joseph Panessidi and Orville Bell at City Hall in October 2013. The state Supreme Court denied the state's request to prevent same-sex marriages temporarily, clearing the way for same-sex couples to marry. Newark, New Jersey, Mayor Cory Booker officiates a wedding ceremony for Joseph Panessidi and Orville Bell at City Hall in October 2013. The state Supreme Court denied the state's request to prevent same-sex marriages temporarily, clearing the way for same-sex couples to marry. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Newark, New Jersey, Mayor Cory Booker officiates a wedding ceremony for Joseph Panessidi and Orville Bell at City Hall in October 2013. The state Supreme Court denied the state's request to prevent same-sex marriages temporarily, clearing the way for same-sex couples to marry. Hide Caption 17 of 31 A couple celebrates at San Francisco City Hall upon hearing about the U.S. Supreme Court rulings on same-sex marriage in June 2013. The high court cleared the way for same-sex couples in California to resume marrying after dismissing an appeal on Proposition 8 on jurisdictional grounds. The court also struck down a key part of the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 federal law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. A couple celebrates at San Francisco City Hall upon hearing about the U.S. Supreme Court rulings on same-sex marriage in June 2013. The high court cleared the way for same-sex couples in California to resume marrying after dismissing an appeal on Proposition 8 on jurisdictional grounds. The court also struck down a key part of the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 federal law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos A couple celebrates at San Francisco City Hall upon hearing about the U.S. Supreme Court rulings on same-sex marriage in June 2013. The high court cleared the way for same-sex couples in California to resume marrying after dismissing an appeal on Proposition 8 on jurisdictional grounds. The court also struck down a key part of the Defense of Marriage Act, a 1996 federal law defining marriage as between a man and a woman. Hide Caption 18 of 31 At the state Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota, Gov. Mark Dayton signs a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in May 2013. At the state Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota, Gov. Mark Dayton signs a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in May 2013. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos At the state Capitol in St. Paul, Minnesota, Gov. Mark Dayton signs a bill legalizing same-sex marriage in May 2013. Hide Caption 19 of 31 Delaware Gov. Jack Markell holds up legislation in May 2013 allowing same-sex couples to wed in the state. Delaware Gov. Jack Markell holds up legislation in May 2013 allowing same-sex couples to wed in the state. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Delaware Gov. Jack Markell holds up legislation in May 2013 allowing same-sex couples to wed in the state. Hide Caption 20 of 31 Rhode Island state Sen. Donna Nesselbush, right, embraces a supporter after the Marriage Equality Act was signed into law at the statehouse in Providence in May 2013. Rhode Island state Sen. Donna Nesselbush, right, embraces a supporter after the Marriage Equality Act was signed into law at the statehouse in Providence in May 2013. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Rhode Island state Sen. Donna Nesselbush, right, embraces a supporter after the Marriage Equality Act was signed into law at the statehouse in Providence in May 2013. Hide Caption 21 of 31 Jamous Lizotte, right, and Steven Jones pose for photos while waiting for a marriage license in Portland, Maine, in December 2012. Jamous Lizotte, right, and Steven Jones pose for photos while waiting for a marriage license in Portland, Maine, in December 2012. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Jamous Lizotte, right, and Steven Jones pose for photos while waiting for a marriage license in Portland, Maine, in December 2012. Hide Caption 22 of 31 Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, center, shakes hands with Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller after signing a same-sex marriage bill in March 2012. The law was challenged, but voters approved marriage equality in a November 2012 referendum. Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, center, shakes hands with Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller after signing a same-sex marriage bill in March 2012. The law was challenged, but voters approved marriage equality in a November 2012 referendum. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, center, shakes hands with Senate President Thomas V. "Mike" Miller after signing a same-sex marriage bill in March 2012. The law was challenged, but voters approved marriage equality in a November 2012 referendum. Hide Caption 23 of 31 Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire celebrates after signing marriage-equality legislation into law on February 13, 2012. Voters there approved same-sex marriage in November 2012. Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire celebrates after signing marriage-equality legislation into law on February 13, 2012. Voters there approved same-sex marriage in November 2012. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire celebrates after signing marriage-equality legislation into law on February 13, 2012. Voters there approved same-sex marriage in November 2012. Hide Caption 24 of 31 Phyllis Siegel, right, kisses her wife, Connie Kopelov, after exchanging vows at the Manhattan City Clerk's office on July 24, 2011, the first day New York's Marriage Equality Act went into effect. Phyllis Siegel, right, kisses her wife, Connie Kopelov, after exchanging vows at the Manhattan City Clerk's office on July 24, 2011, the first day New York's Marriage Equality Act went into effect. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Phyllis Siegel, right, kisses her wife, Connie Kopelov, after exchanging vows at the Manhattan City Clerk's office on July 24, 2011, the first day New York's Marriage Equality Act went into effect. Hide Caption 25 of 31 In 2010, television reporter Roby Chavez, right, shares a moment with gay rights activist Frank Kameny during Chavez and Chris Roe's wedding ceremony in the nation's capital. Same-sex marriage became legal in Washington in March 2010. In 2010, television reporter Roby Chavez, right, shares a moment with gay rights activist Frank Kameny during Chavez and Chris Roe's wedding ceremony in the nation's capital. Same-sex marriage became legal in Washington in March 2010. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos In 2010, television reporter Roby Chavez, right, shares a moment with gay rights activist Frank Kameny during Chavez and Chris Roe's wedding ceremony in the nation's capital. Same-sex marriage became legal in Washington in March 2010. Hide Caption 26 of 31 Olin Burkhart, left, and Carl Burkhart kiss on the steps of the New Hampshire Capitol in January 2010 after the state's law allowing same-sex marriage went into effect. Olin Burkhart, left, and Carl Burkhart kiss on the steps of the New Hampshire Capitol in January 2010 after the state's law allowing same-sex marriage went into effect. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Olin Burkhart, left, and Carl Burkhart kiss on the steps of the New Hampshire Capitol in January 2010 after the state's law allowing same-sex marriage went into effect. Hide Caption 27 of 31 Maine state Sen. Dennis Damon, left, hands Gov. John Baldacci the bill that the state Senate passed in May 2009 to affirm the right of same-sex couples to marry. Maine state Sen. Dennis Damon, left, hands Gov. John Baldacci the bill that the state Senate passed in May 2009 to affirm the right of same-sex couples to marry. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Maine state Sen. Dennis Damon, left, hands Gov. John Baldacci the bill that the state Senate passed in May 2009 to affirm the right of same-sex couples to marry. Hide Caption 28 of 31 Amy Klein-Matheny, left, and her wife, Jennifer, exchange vows in Iowa after same-sex couples were allowed to marry there with a court ruling in April 2009. Amy Klein-Matheny, left, and her wife, Jennifer, exchange vows in Iowa after same-sex couples were allowed to marry there with a court ruling in April 2009. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Amy Klein-Matheny, left, and her wife, Jennifer, exchange vows in Iowa after same-sex couples were allowed to marry there with a court ruling in April 2009. Hide Caption 29 of 31 Michael Miller, left, and Ross Zachs marry on the West Hartford Town Hall steps after same-sex marriages became legal in Connecticut on November 12, 2008. Michael Miller, left, and Ross Zachs marry on the West Hartford Town Hall steps after same-sex marriages became legal in Connecticut on November 12, 2008. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Michael Miller, left, and Ross Zachs marry on the West Hartford Town Hall steps after same-sex marriages became legal in Connecticut on November 12, 2008. Hide Caption 30 of 31 Lara Ramsey, left, and her partner of eight years, Jane Lohmann, play with their 7-month-old son, Wyatt Ramsey-Lohmann. The two wed in 2004 after Massachusetts approved same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was the first state to do so. Lara Ramsey, left, and her partner of eight years, Jane Lohmann, play with their 7-month-old son, Wyatt Ramsey-Lohmann. The two wed in 2004 after Massachusetts approved same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was the first state to do so. Photos: Same-sex marriage in the U.S. 31 photos Lara Ramsey, left, and her partner of eight years, Jane Lohmann, play with their 7-month-old son, Wyatt Ramsey-Lohmann. The two wed in 2004 after Massachusetts approved same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was the first state to do so. Hide Caption 31 of 31 01 florida gay marriage 0106 north carolina same sex RESTRICTED nevada gay marriage 1007 01 gay marriage 1007 02 gay marriage 1007 05 gay marriage 1007 04 gay marriage 1007 03 gay marriage 1007 02 same sex marriage 0614 01 same sex marriage 0614 01 oregon same sex 0519 same sex marriage arkansas michigan marriage licenses dabakis same sex marriage 01 utah same sex marriage 1220 hawaii same sex marriage same sex marriage new jersey 01 supreme court doma 0626 03 gay marriage 0613 04 gay marriage 0613 02 gay marriage 0613 01 gay marriage 0613 06 same sex marriage maryland 02 same sex marriage washington 04 same sex marriage new york 03 same sex marriage washington dc 01 NH same sex 0626 maine gay marriage 0509 RESTRICTED 09 same sex marriage iowa 05 same sex marriage Connecticut 07 same sex marriage Massachusetts Story highlights * Public debate over same-sex marriage returns to the Supreme Court * Justices to meet to consider appeals from gays, lesbians in five states * Same-sex marriage laws are decided by states, resulting in legal patchwork across U.S. The one-sentence order from the U.S. Supreme Court was brief but emphatic. The year was 1972 and the justices were asked to decide something extraordinary in that era: whether an openly gay couple from Minnesota had a "fundamental right" under the Constitution to legally wed. In just 13 words, the court under Chief Justice Warren Burger dismissed the Baker v. Nelson petition, "for want of a substantial federal question." For about four decades that was the final word on the issue, at least legally. Now a generational shift in public acceptance has given same-sex marriage a powerful new voice. Judges around the country -- in state and federal courts -- have spoken with a near unanimity over the past year that millions of gays and lesbians have been denied an equal protection right to tie the knot, or to have their legal unions recognized by their home states. Opinion: Marriage equality is not like abortion The public debate is back at the nation's highest court, with the justices being asked to offer a fresh, definitive, and binding ruling. The court next week will return from its summer recess and meet privately to consider appeals originating from same-sex couples in five states: Utah, Oklahoma, Virginia, Wisconsin and Indiana. [140728232732-dnt-va-same-sex-ruling-00000009-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Virginia's gay marriage ban overturned replay More Videos ... Virginia's gay marriage ban overturned 01:08 PLAY VIDEO [140625204821-sotvo-utah-same-sex-marriage-00004918-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Court strikes down same-sex marriage ban replay More Videos ... Court strikes down same-sex marriage ban 01:10 PLAY VIDEO [140520195739-dnt-same-sex-marriage-pennsylvania-00003920-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Same-sex marriages begin in Pennsylvania replay More Videos ... Same-sex marriages begin in Pennsylvania 01:06 PLAY VIDEO If one or more of those petitions are accepted now for review, oral arguments would likely be held early next year, with a monumental opinion expected by late June 2015. "The question of whether same-sex marriage bans are constitutional is a historic issue, under the Constitution and for the Roberts Court," said Thomas Goldstein, publisher of SCOTUSblog.com and a respected Washington attorney. "It's hard to imagine a situation where judges are going to have more power to define the social and family relationships of the country." A patchwork of state laws on the issue Same-sex marriage is legal in 19 U.S states plus the District of Columbia: California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington state. Massachusetts became the first to grant the right in 2004. A Supreme Court ruling on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage would essentially end a patchwork of state laws -- some that allow it, some that do not, and a few that allow protections short of marriage, such as civil unions and domestic partnerships. The highest court by its nature is a deliberative body, preferring almost by instinct to take things slowly, allowing issues to percolate in the lower courts and in the political discourse. Did Obama drop Supreme Court hint? White House says no Not so here. What has been most remarkable about the issue is how rapidly the core constitutional questions have reached the justices, presenting an inevitability among those on both sides of the debate they will get involved. The court hurried to schedule the appeals from the five states for its closed-door conference, even before all the legal briefs had been filed. That suggests the justices are ready to add the controversies to the docket, and now. [140227021206-dnt-tx-same-sex-ban-struck-down-00002518-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Texas: Same-sex marriage ban struck down replay More Videos ... Texas: Same-sex marriage ban struck down 01:15 PLAY VIDEO [140630153800-obama-immigration-0630-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Immigration, Hobby Lobby win, Congress replay More Videos ... Immigration, Hobby Lobby win, Congress 01:49 PLAY VIDEO [140703181624-08-week-in-photos-0703-restricted-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Red News/Blue News: Hobby Lobby replay More Videos ... Red News/Blue News: Hobby Lobby 03:48 PLAY VIDEO Some conservative activists say this bench should slow down, and ultimately stay out. "When the court on such an issue -- where there are very strong opinions on both sides, and a huge issue of social change in our country -- steps in and makes it into a constitutional issue, it makes the justices look significantly more political in the eyes of the American people," said Carrie Severino, chief counsel of the Judicial Crisis Network. "It would cast doubt on the legitimacy of the court ... by imposing one type of solution for the entire nation, instead of leaving it in the hands of the states to decide how they want to address this issue." Many supporters of "traditional" marriage privately say preserving an inflexible one-man/one-woman definition of wedlock nationwide would not be realistic moving forward, and that a divided bloc of states upholding the status quo may be the best possible scenario. But all that hinges on what the Supreme Court does and does not do. A federal appeals court in August took just nine days after intensive oral arguments to issue its sweeping conclusion that voter-approved same-sex marriage bans in Indiana and Wisconsin were unacceptably discriminatory. And state leaders then took just five days to formally ask the Supreme Court to intervene. Even Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg recently hinted a "why wait" attitude may predominate. "I think the court will not do what they did in the old days when they continually ducked the issue of miscegenation," she told the Associated Press in July, referring to state bans on interracial marriage, which was not struck down by the high court until 1967. "If a case is properly before the court, they will take it." In their private conference on Monday-- just the nine justices, no one else attends-- the court will discuss among itself whether to grant a "petition for a writ of certiorari," essentially if any of the marriage cases deserve full scrutiny. It takes just four justices to put such petitions on the docket, but five to ultimately prevail on the merits. "The stakes are incredibly high for Americans and for the legacy of the Roberts court," said Elizabeth Wydra, chief counsel of the progressive Constitutional Accountability Center. Moderate-conservative "Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has been a crucial vote on the question gay rights [in the past], is again expected be a crucial vote in this case." The high court's big cases this year [140704181229-tsr-sot-brown-female-supreme-court-justices-contraceptives-ruling-00001811-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Female justices slam birth control ruling replay More Videos ... Female justices slam birth control ruling 02:09 PLAY VIDEO [140630105531-nr-brown-supreme-court-contraception-ruling-00003717-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Supreme Court rules against Obama replay More Videos ... Supreme Court rules against Obama 01:49 PLAY VIDEO [140625115437-scotus-building-0625-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Obama loses recess appointments case replay More Videos ... Obama loses recess appointments case 01:35 PLAY VIDEO More than 80 pending marriage equality lawsuits in 31 states State and federal judges in the past year have ruled 39 times in favor of the expanded marriage right, while two have upheld existing laws. All this follows what the Supreme Court in 2013 said peripherally on the issue. Fifteen months ago, the justices cleared the way for same-sex marriages in California to resume after they ruled private parties did not have "standing" to defend a voter-approved ballot measure barring gay and lesbian couples from state-sanctioned wedlock. More importantly, the high court also rejected parts of the federal Defense of Marriage Act in its 5-4 "Windsor" decision, citing equal protection guarantees to conclude same-sex spouses legally married in a state may receive federal benefits, such as tax breaks. That federal question now morphs into the higher-stakes state jurisdiction, where marriage laws have traditionally been controlled, and where the equal protection issues will ultimately be resolved. By CNN's count, various individuals and gay rights groups have launched more than 80 pending marriage equality lawsuits in all 31 states with current bans. A Supreme Court review would put all that litigation on hold. However, the nine justices have complete discretion to stand on the sidelines for now -- and wait for a majority of these state battles to play out, or for a federal appeals court to uphold a ban. "In theory, the justices can avoid deciding any question, particularly when there is no real division and there isn't about same-sex marriage -- yet," said Goldstein. "But this is just too important. They can't stay out, it would be ridiculous for the nation's highest court not to decide this issue now." Strike down same-sex marriage bans or allow them to stand [140625120518-cell-phone-file-0625-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Ruling: Warrant needed to search phones replay More Videos ... Ruling: Warrant needed to search phones 01:58 PLAY VIDEO [140603081602-lv-supreme-court-poisoning-love-triangle-00000227-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Justices: Can't use treaty on angry wife replay More Videos ... Justices: Can't use treaty on angry wife 03:06 PLAY VIDEO [140430190555-orig-sanjay-death-penalty-explainer-npr-mg-00002921-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Court bars IQ cutoffs for executions replay More Videos ... Court bars IQ cutoffs for executions 01:53 PLAY VIDEO The Supreme Court could historically alter how marriage is treated under a legal framework, potentially striking down every current same-sex marriage ban. Or the justices could leave the current patchwork of state laws in place, allowing legislatures, voters, or lower courts to sort it all out, for now. A CNN/ORC International Poll released more than a year ago found an apparent cultural shift: 53% of Americans supported same-sex marriage, up from 40% in 2007. Some gay rights activists have expressed concern a national legal strategy aimed at the Supreme Court could prove too risky, and end up slowing momentum toward widespread public acceptance of their relationships. A state-by-state approach pursued by some groups had proven gradually successful, and some supporters of marriage equality fear trying to move too far too fast could create legal setbacks, especially when polls continue to show a sizable number of Americans opposed to the idea. Marriage equality advocates worry about a broader social backlash on other LGBT issues. But those on all sides of this issue recognize it now sits irretrievably in the hands of the highest court, and that is where the next act of this drama is being played. Nothing about this political and legal debate in the past decade has been easy, predictive or settled. Like the layered dynamic of marriage itself, putting meaning and force into society's expectations remains an ongoing process, a dialogue that continues to evolve in new ways. Poll: Confidence in Supreme Court at record low Differing opinions on the Baker case A final word about the Baker case, the often forgotten pioneer in the fight for LGBT legal rights. The quarter-century after World War II saw many gay and lesbian Americans slowly acknowledging their identity, and facing discrimination and animus as a result. The 1969 Stonewall riots in Greenwich Village were a social watershed, with many in the LGBT community citing the riots as helping spark the modern fight for equality. [140527120142-sot-nr-scotus-police-car-chases-00000129-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Court sides with cops in deadly chase replay More Videos ... Court sides with cops in deadly chase 01:37 PLAY VIDEO [140326220140-supreme-court-building-file-story-top.jpg] Just Watched Regulating racism? replay More Videos ... Regulating racism? 01:17 PLAY VIDEO [140510103702-exp-scotus-rules-in-favor-of-public-prayer-00003113-story-top.jpg] Just Watched SCOTUS Rules in Favor of Public Prayer replay More Videos ... SCOTUS Rules in Favor of Public Prayer 05:12 PLAY VIDEO Activists organized and united -- often uneasily -- forging a strategy to have their voices heard in court. They saw how the Supreme Court in particular was moving toward affirming long-denied rights to those based on skin color and gender. A year after Stonewall, Richard Baker and James McConnell, students at the University of Minnesota, applied for a marriage license in Minneapolis, but were refused. The state's highest court eventually turned aside their appeal, concluding marriage as between one man and one woman for the purposes of procreation and rearing of children was "as old as the book of Genesis." The subsequent refusal by the nation's highest court to intervene tamped down any further legal or political discussion on the issue for decades. The all-male, all-married bench at the time issued a summary decision without full briefing or oral arguments. Because of the terseness of that decision, state and federal courts today offer differing opinions on whether Baker is "irrelevant," and has any force today when deciding the constitutional equal protection questions. Minnesota in August 2013 legalized same-sex marriage, the 13th state to do so. Same-sex marriage debate * Rachael Beierle, left, and Boise City Council President Maryanne Jordan, center, laugh at a joke in Amber Beierle's wedding vows at City Hall in Boise, Idaho, on Wednesday, October 15. With Mayor Dave Bieter out of town, Jordan officiated the wedding as acting mayor. Ada County clerks began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples Wednesday morning. Rachael Beierle, left, and Boise City Council President Maryanne Jordan, center, laugh at a joke in Amber Beierle's wedding vows at City Hall in Boise, Idaho, on Wednesday, October 15. With Mayor Dave Bieter out of town, Jordan officiated the wedding as acting mayor. Ada County clerks began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples Wednesday morning. Spreading in the 'red' states Same-sex marriage is spreading quickly in the U.S., even reaching several "red" states. Activists have also launched a new push in the Deep South. * As the U.S. Supreme Court begins its new term this week, pro-life advocates hold a prayer vigil on the plaza of the high court in Washington, Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014. The group, Bound 4 Life, has come to the court for ten years to make a silent appeal against abortion. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) As the U.S. Supreme Court begins its new term this week, pro-life advocates hold a prayer vigil on the plaza of the high court in Washington, Saturday, Oct. 4, 2014. The group, Bound 4 Life, has come to the court for ten years to make a silent appeal against abortion. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite) What's next in the fight? Never has the Supreme Court said so much when saying so little. * LGBT rights calculator Find out which states match your values when it comes to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights. * Jodie Vandermark-Martinez slides a ring on her partner Jessice during their wedding ceremony in Iowa. Jodie Vandermark-Martinez slides a ring on her partner Jessice during their wedding ceremony in Iowa. Same Sex Marriage Fast Facts Here's a look at what you need to know about same-sex marriage in the U.S. and worldwide. * A same-sex couple celebrated a federal court's ruling in San Francisco, California in February 2012. A same-sex couple celebrated a federal court's ruling in San Francisco, California in February 2012. Same-sex marriage in the U.S. Here's a look at same-sex marriage in the United States, by the numbers. * Map: Legal, or illegal? Which states allow same-sex marriage, and which states don't? * April Dawn Breeden, left, and her long-time partner Crystal Peairs, right, are married by Rev. Katie Hotze-Wilton at City Hall in St. Louis on Wednesday, November 5. April Dawn Breeden, left, and her long-time partner Crystal Peairs, right, are married by Rev. Katie Hotze-Wilton at City Hall in St. Louis on Wednesday, November 5. Evangelicals step back from gay marriage fight Evangelical leaders are taking a step back from their decades-long fight against gay marriage, softening their tone and recalibrating their goals. * Sir Elton John Sir Elton John Elton John: Jesus would back same-sex marriage In the same-sex marriage debate, Elton John believes he knows where Jesus would've stood. * Melanie Servetas (left) was able to return to America with her wife, Claudia Amaral, after DOMA was struck down. Melanie Servetas (left) was able to return to America with her wife, Claudia Amaral, after DOMA was struck down. A year after DOMA, couples choose love and country A year ago, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a key section of the Defense of Marriage Act or DOMA. * Tony Sullivan (right) married Richard Adams in 1975 and is still fighting for permanent residency. He hopes the DOMA ruling will finally make his dream come true. Tony Sullivan (right) married Richard Adams in 1975 and is still fighting for permanent residency. He hopes the DOMA ruling will finally make his dream come true. Love wins in gay couple's 40-year immigration fight Anthony Sullivan was a young Australian with Robert Redford looks. Richard Adams emigrated from the Philippines as a child and became an American citizen. * nr intv burke presbyterians same sex marriage_00001524.jpg nr intv burke presbyterians same sex marriage_00001524.jpg Presbyterians vote to allow same-sex marriage The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted to allow pastors to marry same-sex couples in states where it is legal. * * * More from politics * Potential Republican presidential candidates take the stage in Iowa. Potential Republican presidential candidates take the stage in Iowa. 2016 race kicks off with long day of auditions in Iowa * A protester interrupted former Texas Gov. Rick Perry's speech in Iowa on Saturday. A protester interrupted former Texas Gov. 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Life Cleaning. » Haters Gonna Hate: Christian Ministers Forced to Perform Gay Marriage or Face Jail Time October 21, 2014 by Rebecca Hamilton 69 Comments Photo Source: Catholic News Agency Remember the lies? Gay marriage would not lead to polygamy, they said. But before gay marriage is even fully out of the gate, the court movement to legalize polygamy is afoot. Gay marriage will never lead to ministers being forced to perform gay marriage wedding services, they told us. Well, so much for that one, too. David and Evelyn Knapp, ordained ministers of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, have been told by Coeur d’Alene’s city officials that, due to their refusal to perform a gay wedding, they may face up to 180 days in jail and $1,000 in fines for each day they do not perform gay wedding services. A lawsuit filed on the minister’s behalf by the Alliance Defending Freedom, says in part: If the Knapps refuse to perform one same-sex ceremony for one week, they risk going to jail for over three years and being fined $7,000. If the Knapps refuse to perform one same-sex ceremony for 30 days, they risk going to jail for over 14 years and being fined $30,000. If the Knapps refuse to perform one same-sex ceremony for a year, they risk going to jail for 180 years and being fined $365,000. The city is taking the legal position that the couple’s wedding chapel, which is called the Hitching Post Lakeside Chapel, is a “place of accommodation” that would is subject to the city’s anti-discrimination ordinance. That’s kind of rich since the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel is a denomination going with over 8,000,000 members worldwide. There are 1,875 Foursquare Gospel churches here in the United States alone. The legal basis for this contention seems to hang on the thread that the Hitching Post Chapel is incorporated as a “religious corporation limited to performing one-man-one-woman marriages as defined by the Holy Bible.” According to Fox News Radio, the Hitching Post Chapel is a for-profit corporation. I do not know if Idaho law has a discreet entity called a “religious corporation” in its statutes, or, if it does, what that means. I do know that the City of Coeur d’Alene called these two ministers. Again, according to Fox News Radio, the city attorney claims that even ordained ministers whose church teachings do not allow gay marriage will be required to perform gay marriages. I think it’s telling that two days after the Ninth Circuit issued an order allowing same-sex marriages, in Idaho, Pastors David and Evelyn Knapp received a phone call from the city advising them they had to perform gay marriages. David and Evelyn Knapp are ministers who were ordained by a legitimate denomination. According to the Gay Christian Movement Watch, here is the International Church of the Four Square Gospel’s teaching on the matter: The Biblical record shows that sexual union was established exclusively within the context of male-female relationship and formalized in the ordinance of marriage. In the New Testament, the oneness of male and female in marriage pictures the relationship between Christ and His Church. . . . The Scriptures identify the practice of homosexuality as a sin that, if persisted in, brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God. The facade of lies in support of gay marriage is falling down, and it’s doing it quickly. From The Daily Signal: For years, those in favor of same-sex marriage have argued that all Americans should be free to live as they choose. And yet in countless cases, the government has coerced those who simply wish to be free to live in accordance with their belief that marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Ministers face a 180-day jail term and $1,000 fine for each day they decline to celebrate the same-sex wedding. Just this weekend, a case has arisen in Idaho, where city officials have told ordained ministers they have to celebrate same-sex weddings or face fines and jail time. The Idaho case involves Donald and Evelyn Knapp, both ordained ministers, who run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel. Officials from Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, told the couple that because the city has a non-discrimination statute that includes sexual orientation and gender identity, and because the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals struck down Idaho’s constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman, the couple would have to officiate at same-sex weddings in their own chapel. The non-discrimination statute applies to all “public accommodations,” and the city views the chapel as a public accommodation. On Friday, a same-sex couple asked to be married by the Knapps, and the Knapps politely declined. The Knapps now face a 180-day jail term and $1,000 fine for each day they decline to celebrate the same-sex wedding. A week of honoring their faith and declining to perform the ceremony could cost the couple three and a half years in jail and $7,000 in fines. Government Coercion The Knapps have been married to each other for 47 years and are both ordained ministers of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel. They are “evangelical Christians who hold to historic Christian beliefs” that “God created two distinct genders in His image” and “that God ordained marriage to be between one man and one woman.” But as a result of the courts redefining marriage and a city ordinance that creates special privileges based on sexual orientation and gender identity, the Knapps are facing government coercion. Filed Under: America, Christian Bashers, Christian Persecution, clergy, Culture, Destruction of the Family, First Amendment, Following Christ, Freedom of Conscience, Holy Matrimony, Marriage, Marriage Protection Amendment, Religious Freedom, Same Sex Marriage, Uncategorized Tagged With: christian bashers, Christian persecution, gay marriage 69 Comments « The Synod, One More Time Fall Cleaning. Life Cleaning. » * FW Ken From other things I’ve read, they are operating this as a for-profit enterprise. That puts them into being a “public accommodation”. While including sexual preference in these laws is essentially unjust, it is the law. As ministers, they need to be a church or take all comers. + hamiltonr That’s an interesting point. I wasn’t aware that they were incorporated as a for profit. Still, this is getting to be a fine point, when you are talking about what is clearly a function of the church which is performing marriages. These are two ordained ministers, and they are being required to perform services against their faith because it takes place in a for-profit enterprise? That’s a much broader swath than the issue of incorporation. o FW Ken It is, although the suggestion had been made that other ministers or judges could do the ceremony and they just rent out the property, which is clearly a “public accommodation”. Don’t get me wrong, I’m just anticipating the arguments. I repeat, including gays in equal rights laws makes the laws unjust. # Dave I don’t even care if gays are included in equal rights laws. I agree that gays have the same basic rights as anybody else to food, shelter, etc. However, marriage is between a man and a woman. That is the part that is unjust. @ FW Ken Gays have attained an ontological status equal to blacks, which is profoundly wrong. Moreover, they have milked the victim status fast beings reality. Hence, their adverts to food, shelter, etc. Is not at stake. Wrong as it is, same-sex marriage, unimaginable 20 years ago, had become a basic human right. To refuse to bake them a wedding cake is tantamount to killing them. Yes, I have read that claim. # cary_w Are you actually saying that equal rights laws shouldn’t apply to everyone? If they don’t apply to everyone, then they aren’t really equal rights laws, are they? @ FW Ken I’m saying that “being gay” is not a legitimate category to include as protected. They already have equal rights. See my response to Dave. o ohnugget001 The remedy is quite simple; reincorporate as a church and they can minister as they please. Until then, they are subject to the same laws as any other for profit endeavor. I understand the outrage, and had they been a non-profit church and had this forced upon them, they would have all sorts of groups like the ACLU etc taking on their cause bro bono. I’d even be on their side despite being a non-believer. # hamiltonr I understand where you’re coming from, but in think in this case, the fight may be worth the ribbon. I do not believe that the law can force ordained ministers to violate the tenets of their faith. I also feel quite strongly that this is a deliberate attempt at government coercion, aimed at them because of their Christian faith. That, in itself, is a violation of Constitutional rights. @ Matthew Prorok The trouble is, the law CAN force business owners to comply with generally applicable nondiscrimination laws. What those business owners believe in any other capacity they might hold is irrelevant. Otherwise, the law has no force whatsoever; anyone can simply claim that the requirements of the law violate the tenets of their faith, and then ignore the law. Obviously, that’s a bad idea if you want to maintain a civil society. The law is not affecting them as ministers. It is affecting them as business owners. If they don’t want that to be the case, they need to stop being business owners. Because as business owners, they’re not allowed to discriminate. That would be true regardless of what they believed; it’s a general policy, applicable to everyone who owns a business. - http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber I am unsure as to whether forcing people to change belief by law is civil either. = cary_w They are not being forced to change their beliefs, they can still believe gay marriage is wrong while performing gay weddings. Just like Muslims whose religion forbids them to eat pork could work in a butcher shop selling pork. They may not WANT to do that, but there is certainly nothing preventing them from doing it. * hamiltonr You are missing the essential elements here: Government force and the First Amendment. * FW Ken That’s silly. Solemnizing a marriage is not like selling anything. You should have stuck with something like “selling a cake”. * Fabio Paolo Barbieri Do you realize what you just said? For a start, try to make a devout Muslim work in a butcher’s shop selling pork – just try it. I’ll send flowers, or even come to to your funeral, if you do. Second, your argument is no different from: “Nobody is being forced to change their belief, they can go on believing whatever they wish in jail.” Do you realize that the American constitution makes free exercise a natural part of freedom of religion? I swear, you are weird. - Fabio Paolo Barbieri The law is affecting them as ministers, because if they were not ministers they could not marry people. If you want to reduce that to a service and a product, open a brothel: it comes to the same thing. You are paying money for company and sexual services. @ Bad_homonym What if the tenets of your faith include stoning people for things that aren’t crimes as we know them. It would be a strong argument no? I know it sounds extreme, but some could raise the idea and use the bible as evidence. All rights covered by the constitution still have limitations. My freedom to my religion also guarantees my freedom from yours, and vice versa. The limitations I mention exist for those reasons. - Fabio Paolo Barbieri This is pure sophistry. There is no what if about this: it is an incredibly brutal attempt to bankrupt someone for doing their duties as ordained ministers. And you ought to be ashamed of comparing that to stoning people to death. = Bad_homonym Actually no one has brought charge against them in the first place so no one is trying to bankrupt anyone. Secondly of course there is what if. If laws regarding commerce can’t be upheld for religious reasons, then where do you draw the line? And finally, this couple is running a business. Nobody says they can’t run a nonprofit church, make a living at it, and turn away gays, blacks, redheads, or anyone else that their flavor of belief won’t allow them to serve. If they did this, they would in fact be doing their duties. As it stands they are operating a business, and they happen to be ministers. These are very different scenarios. # Fabio Paolo Barbieri If you believe that the ACLU would take such a case, you have a much higher level of faith than I do. The ACLU are a partisan group, and in the pocket of a certain sexual group. o hamiltonr Ken, I went back and added the information you gave me. Thanks for the heads up. # FW Ken Your welcome. Actually this is a very interesting case, because I think we all know they will be coming after the Churches eventually. If they can establish a precedent with a for-profit entity, that’s an opening to going after the non-profits, including the Churches. * Rob B. I was hoping you’d post on this! Interesting, isn’t it, that all those things we were accused of being paranoid about seem to be actually happening… * Judy Belle During the 1960s, couples rebelled against government authority by rejecting the marriage license and choosing cohabitation because they believed “a piece of paper” could not define their relationships. Today, some fundamentalist Christians choose to marry without a state-issued marriage license. Pastor Matt Trewhella of Mercy Seat Christian Church in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin, one of the most outspoken pastors on the subject, refuses to marry anyone with a state-issued license. “When you marry with a marriage license, you place yourself under a body of law which is immoral,” he says. Marriages without state licenses are still legal and hold up in the courts of every state. Two witnesses must sign the marriage certificate issued by clergy, and if desired, it can be filed in the county courthouse. Read more : http://www.ehow.com/about_6644… It is time to get the state out of marriage recognition, just as Okahoma is getting ready to do.. We will still be married if we choose but the state will recognize NOT any marriages. If you go to court, a license NOT sanctioned by the state is still just as good. The churches cease being agents of the state by issuing their licenses and are protected from the courts by the constitution. They can continue to decide whom they will marry. This enables hets to determine what their children will be taught and whom they must serve in their business. Everyone is happy. + Fabio Paolo Barbieri Amen. o Judy Belle We need to lobby our state govt and do this thing. If the state does not recognize marriages for anything, they can not force anyone else to do the same. The feds will still do so but states can change a few words and make all the homosexual crap go away forever. * Elijah fan Very awful. First it was the bakers and wedding cakes. Now this. Next?…public school history teachers will have to teach courses on the many things invented by gays, laws written by gays, lands discovered by gays. Art teachers will have to draw same sex couples in their street scenes. Do you think I’m kidding? I’m not. We’re going to need a list of occupations that biblical Christian youth and Catholics should avoid. Gradually it’ll dawn on us….the Amish saw these days coming long ago. What’s their divorce rate? Tiny….I suspect. They should have given the first day talk at the Synod on the family…and included their recipe for potato salad sold at Walmarts. * http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny This needs to go to the Supreme Court right now to get clarity. But it’s not a surprise. Don’t forget the issue in Huston, TX where the city wants to go through Pastor’s homilies for anythign against SSM. + Lark62 In Houston, the churches were suing the city – not the other way around. The lawyers for the city, the defendants, prepared an obnoxious, overly broad subpoena. Lawyers do this everyday. They get bonus points for being obnoxious. After getting pushback, they are now dialing back the subpoena. This also happens everyday. This is not about evil government attacking poor christians. This is about two parties in a lawsuit acting like jerks, because our crazy, messed up legal system favors jerks. Put down the persecution card and walk away. There is nothing to see here. o FW Ken I’m not sure what’s jerky about calling the city out on disqualifying an already certified petition, or standing on the first amendment. That’s a cottage industry among atheists. Separation of church and state for thee, but not for me is what it sounds like. # Lark62 The version I read (there are many out there) is that the outside lawyers handling the lawsuit got the subpoenas as a normal part of “vigorously” defending their client. Normal lawyers’ crap. They didn’t consider churchs’ religious freedom or the fact that their client was a government entity. I haven’t read anything where people think this overly broad request is okay. It is being fixed. I’m still for religious freedom for all of us. @ FW Ken That’s rather unbelievable, that lawyers would not think about the first amendment. Particularly since they are working for the city attorney. I don’t entirely agree with this article, but it has interesting background on taxing churches, or not as the case may be. http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/21/houston-sermons-are-legally-speaking-fair-game/ This is an open and shut separation of church and state issue. The only question is the obvious fraud that went into disallowing the petition. @ Fabio Paolo Barbieri Oh, so those “outside” lawyers had never heard of the First Amendent? If that were the case, I would suggest their law schools were investigated. But I’m afraid your devoted faith and your immense ability for believing anything, however irrational, must have misled you once again. o http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny I didn’t know that. I’ll check it out. # Fabio Paolo Barbieri Don’t bother. The mayor is lying and has not really even distanced herself from her own lawyers. And Larkie here has an undoubted talent for half-truths, but I wonder why she even tries, when I can access the facts here on the other side of the world. @ Lark62 Such a kind and thoughtful comment. - hamiltonr Fabio is a special case Lark. I allow him leeway no one else gets, due to his big Italian heart. If it gets too much for you, wave your hand, and I’ll play school marm. :-) @ http://ashesfromburntroses.blogspot.com/ Manny Thanks Fabio. I could not find what Lark was talking about. * http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber Um….since when is jail time considered criminal? There’s something severely wrong with the formula in this law, if after being arrested and still refusing to submit, they add 180 days to the sentence for every day in jail. * AnneG Don’t qualify to practice their religion without interference from the State? Gee, I thought that was in the Constitution. + Lark62 Businesses have to obey the law. They don’t qualify for the special religious protections granted to churches because they are not churches. They have to obey food safety laws. They have to obey zoning ordinances. They have to pay taxes. They have to obey non-discrimination laws. o hamiltonr You’re mixing quite a few statutes here Lark. Even churches follow public health and safety ordinances. That’s not even a question from anyone. On the other hand, the new “non-discrimination” laws are barging head first into areas that for over 200 years have been protected by the First Amendment. This is a grave move with grave consequences. + FW Ken The interesting question is why they aren’t organized as a church. I do know some churches don’t claim tax exempt status as a matter of principle, but don’t know how these people see it. Apparently they don’t have an actual congregation, and make their living on weddings. I’ve had a couple of cousins married in this kind of chapel, and it wasn’t particularly Christian. + http://outsidetheautisticasylum.blogspot.com/ Theodore Seeber Liberals do not care about the Constitution. And over the past 50 years, initially as a weapon against segregation. The have increasingly defined business owners as nonhuman second class citizens. * Lark62 What court movement to legalize polygamy? Where in that court ruling, or anywhere else, did that court or any other say it is okay to be married to more than one person at a time? The federal court ruling you linked to addressed the right of unmarried people to live in the same house. That’s it. It was not specific to polygamy. The law was unconstitutional, and the ruling brought Utah in line with the other 49 states. Note that none of these other 49 states have legalized polygamy, or have taken any steps to legalize polygamy. The court struck down an unconstitutional law. And you call that a “movement” to legalize polygamy? I hear the 10 Commandments were posted on government property in Oklahoma. Check them out. + Fabio Paolo Barbieri Oh, sure. And rulings to inflict gay marriage on us were not going to infringe on our religious practices… until they will. Sorry, we know by now how your party does things, and all the amount of yelling and bad manners in the world won’t change that. * Mike And we’re surprised that the proponents of redefinition obfuscated this issues because….? * Lark62 From the Coeur d’Alene Press: http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_129c54cc-3dda-5868-8278-838cde92e17e.html “We have never threatened to jail them, or take legal action of any kind,” said city spokesman Keith Erickson.” Also “When contacted by The Press for comment, Don Knapp said the Hitching Post is not operating as a not-for-profit religious corporation. He also said he does not know ADF Attorney David Cortman.” + hamiltonr Thanks for the link Lark. I didn’t read it thoroughly, but I did see this: Gridley also noted that on Oct. 6, the Knapps filed an LLC operating agreement with the state indicating that the Hitching Post is a “religious organization.” He told the Knapps’ attorney in the letter that if the Knapps are “truly operating a not-for-profit religious corporation” they would be specifically exempted from the city ordinance. Since it is in writing, I would guess that it has a lot more weight than he-said/she-said. Maybe the city needs to amend its ordinance to comply with its attorney’s own opinion. o JohnE_o “When contacted by The Press for comment, Don Knapp said the Hitching Post is not operating as a not-for-profit religious corporation. He told the Knapps’ attorney in the letter that if the Knapps are “truly operating a not-for-profit religious corporation” they would be specifically exempted from the city ordinance. Since it is in writing, I would guess that it has a lot more weight than he-said/she-said. Maybe the city needs to amend its ordinance to comply with its attorney’s own opinion. Ms. Hamilton, the attorney said that the ordinance would apply IF the Hitching Post were a not-for-profit religious organization. The owner of the Hitching Post states they are NOT operating as a not-for-profit religious organization. # hamiltonr Interesting. Thanks for the heads up. o Fabio Paolo Barbieri This is crap in itself. The point is not whether people in a lovely wooded mountain area are invited to have a pleasant vacation – and pay for the privilege – around the time of their wedding, the point is whether the wedding is conducted as a religious ceremony by appointed ministers of an acknowledged denomination. IT IS. Everything else is pure lawyerly rubbish and bullying. # FW Ken I don’t know the area, but harming your tourism business over same-sex marriage seems odd. That assumes the wedding chapel is a major contributor to the local economy, which the numbers suggest it is. * Dave Why don’t they just do the thing where they post a sign saying “all proceeds from gay marriages performed here will be matched and donated to NARTH” (or some other organization that is anathema to gay activists)? That would probably take care of the problem and the troublemakers would leave on their own. + Fabio Paolo Barbieri They will bring in an assault lawyer to prove exactly what you said – that it is intended to prevent gay marriage in practice. It would make things worse, not better. If the lawyer is reckless enough and the judge is complicit enough – and of course they would select a complicit judge – they might even manage to entangle NARTH itself. o FW Ken Of course they would, but that would just put freedom of speech and freedom of association on trial. Not that they aren’t already. * Pastor Chris Over at The Federalist, Robert Tracinski had a fascinating post the other day titled “No One Expects the Secular Inquisition” (http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/20/gay-marriage-no-one-expects-the-secular-inquisition/). Interesting because of his flow of thought: 1. The conversation about gay marriage has become a battle of secular ideology over religious ideology. 2. Secular ideology seems to have enlisted the power of the government to its side. 3. As in the time of the Spanish Inquisition, when religious ideology was backed by the power of the government, it seems that those who embrace secular ideology are bullying their opponents into submission, backed by the knowledge that the government is on their side and they can carry out their threats with impunity – and even with the support of the government. 4. Those who oppose them, then, are faced with the choice of rejecting their own (religious) ideology to embrace the approved (secular) ideology, or risk destruction (of reputation or of livelihood, if not of life). Tracinski basically asks, how is this different from the Spanish Inquisition? My question is, how is this different from the way blasphemy laws are being used / abused in Pakistan and other places? When we hear reports of persons who are jailed and even sentenced to death under the more-strict versions of blasphemy laws, we shudder that “those countries” are more savage than ours, or we accuse some of “those people” of abusing those laws to bully others against whom they may have some kind of grudge (“I have always hated you for some reason, but now I have a legal way of getting you out of my life.”). So my question is, under these circumstances how is the case of Donald and Evelyn Knapp of Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, different than the case of Asia Bibi of Pakistan? + hamiltonr Your link doesn’t work. o FW Ken Here’s a federalist link that does work. The state of California is now requiring that all insurance plans, including those of churches, include coverage for surgical abortion. http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/22/california-orders-churches-to-fund-abortions-or-else/ Here’s the link on same-sex marriage: http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/20/gay-marriage-no-one-expects-the-secular-inquisition/ + Lark62 No one is asking anyone to abandon their religion. The law simply says if you offer a product or service you have to offer it to all customers without discrimination. A vegan can bake cakes without eggs. But anyone can buy a vegan cake even if they plan to serve it at a BBQ. An atheist bookstore doesn’t have to sell bibles but they can’t refuse to sell a book they do stock to someone in jesus t-shirt. A wedding chapel across from a courthouse that marries anyone who walks through the door can’t refuse one couple based on arbitrary factors. This really is not an attack on christians. The vegan baker can say she hates carnivores. She can support vegan causes. She can exclude eggs and milk and other non vegan ingredients from her cakes. But she cannot refuse to serve a dude in a “I shot Bambi’s Mom” t-shirt. The same rules apply to christians. (Note – I know that discrimination laws probably don’t apply to meat eaters. This is just for comparison.) o Fabio Paolo Barbieri So marriage is a product and being married is a service. Yeah, right. # Lark62 A wedding performed by an Elvis impersonator in a Vegas drive through wedding chapel is a product offered to the public. A wedding ceremony in a church, perhaps following months of counseling and religious guidance and maybe restricted to church members, in a religious ceremony protected by the first amendment. The Hitching Post is operating as a for profit business and so is a tasteful version of the “product” end of the spectrum. @ Fabio Paolo Barbieri Even the Elvis impersonator is still getting two people to be joined together for life. How people choose to marry is their own business; that they are married is either matter of fact or is not. A product is what a brothel offers. + FW Ken For one thing, the Inquisitions, including the Spanish version have been grossly over-played. The actual number of executions over 200-300 years was about what a communist regime or the Aushwihz gas chambers could kill in a day or two. I want to say something under 3000. People requested transfer to inquisition courts because they knew they were more likely to get a fair hearing and a merciful sentence. So was this the Church’s finest hour? No. It’s always tricky, however, to take a morally superior attitude from a distance of some centuries. * Lark62 According to Huffington Post, the Hitching Post is located directly across from the county Courthouse and the owners claim to have performed 35,000 marriages in the last 25 years. That is 1400 weddings a year. 3.8 marriages per day, every day, for 25 years. Is it fair to question whether each and every one of these 35k marriages met any sort of christian standard? Is it fair to assume that the owners really didn’t look into the spiritual beliefs of 70k people or interfere in their relationships? Is it fair to assume that the owners are not vouching for the spiritual purity of 35k couples? Why then is it abhorrent to ask the owners to treat gays with the same detachment? + Fabio Paolo Barbieri And your point is? your rather desperate attempt to prove that there is something wrong about having a lot of marriage ceremonies in one place would collapse as soon as you tried it on any cathedral or major shrine. What this post shows is the despair of people who feel that they must somehow find a way to defend the indefensible, because it is indefensible and commanded by their party. o Lark62 Wow. You seen to be reading a bit more into my post than I intended. Despair? I neither said nor implied that there is anything wrong with their business model. They are clearly providing a useful, welcome and popular service. I just don’t see any hint that the service they provide is limited solely to guiding people into christian holy matrimony. * Joy Inskeep Oh for……. why would anyone want any pastor to perform a ceremony that they didn’t believe in? 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Agabin reacted to a lecture by retired justice Jose Vitug to senior judges, where Vitug opined that the Philippines is unlikely to follow the global trend recognizing same-sex marriages, but that there might be a need to recognize property relations among same-sex couples. But Agabin is right, and even a seemingly reasonable start with economic relationships is outmoded and no longer a valid framework for discussion. The synod of Catholic bishops’ draft statement (since rephrased) recently made global headlines by proposing that homosexuals have “gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community,” and that the Church must be “accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine,” offer “a place of fellowship” and respect how same-sex unions are “a valuable support in the life of these persons.” This was nothing short of an “earthquake” and a “stunning change.” Further, we confront the brutal murder of transgender Filipino Jennifer Laude, allegedly by a US Marine. We face another aspect of the same question of human dignity as we reflect whether Jennifer should be called “she” or “he” and whether certain news editors were exploitative in using her voluptuous bikini picture on the front page. Agabin is no less than a synod of bishops. In his last major Supreme Court appearance, Senior Associate Justice Antonio Carpio mistakenly addressed him as “Justice,” Justice Marvic Leonen expressed hope that he would do justice to his classes under Agabin, and Chief Justice Ma. Lourdes Sereno tried to cite Agabin’s own lectures against him. His unequivocal statement to our judicial leaders is thus no less an earthquake. A mere 10 years ago, I was studying the Massachusetts Goodridge decision in Prof. Elizabeth Pangalangan’s class, the first US state (and sixth global) decision in favor of same-sex marriage. It obliquely pronounced marriage as a set of economic benefits such as tax exemptions. Goodridge stopped short of stating that same-sex marriages must be allowed, accepting “civil unions” or some other recognized partnership that is not marriage so long as homosexuals received the same economic benefits. Human rights philosophers quickly concluded that this is a hollow trick, one that begins from the premise that love has no legal meaning. In 2003, a year before Goodridge, the Lawrence v. Texas decision affirmed that the right to privacy protects homosexual sex. This was not merely privacy behind closed doors but “decisional privacy,” or the right to make fundamental life decisions without government interference. This crucial distinction emphasized the inherent human dignity in the chosen relationship that contextualized the private acts beyond the acts themselves. My professor Laurence Tribe filed a key Lawrence amicus brief and later summarized in the Harvard Law Review: “It’s not the sodomy. It’s the relationship!” (Tribe is the revered constitutional litigator who taught US President Barack Obama and Chief Justice John Roberts and Inquirer publisher Raul Pangalangan, sort of like the Agabin of the United States.) A primacy on publicly recognizing this dignity, not Goodridge’s legal acrobatics, is now the mainstream argument for same-sex marriage. The US Supreme Court nullified the Defense of Marriage Act in 2013, concluding: “The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity. By seeking to displace this protection and treating those persons as living in marriages less respected than others, the federal statute is in violation of the Fifth Amendment.” Funny enough, after years of intense legal debate, the most compelling conclusion from Agabin, Tribe and the US Supreme Court is that simple word “dignity.” Law at the highest level is as simple as it is profound. Even funnier, no intellectual, legal argument has gained traction against the simple word. Religious objections are out of bounds. Abstract claims of morality fail against an invocation of a human right. Inability to procreate is irrelevant as infertile heterosexuals are allowed to marry and several US states allow first cousins to marry if the union would be infertile. The latest argument was that same-sex marriages must be prohibited to protect children. Last September, Judge Richard Posner threw this out, as allowing same-sex couples to marry can only avoid stigmatizing and harming the children they adopt. Note how each such argument fails to address dignity. Agabin stopped short of spelling out that the legal acrobatics have fallen away in the modern debate and suggestions to begin with property relationships or “civil unions” intentionally miss the point. The state of the law is simply that if each of us is able to look a LGBT Filipino in the eye and say that he or she is a second-class citizen capable only of second-class human relationships that deserve only second-class legal recognition, then we have an unassailable legal basis to exclude LGBT Filipinos from marriage. If not, then our society is due for an honest conversation on human dignity. Between Agabin and Pope Francis, the conversation may well come sooner than later. Oscar Franklin Tan (@oscarfbtan, facebook.com/OscarFranklinTan) published “Marriage Through Another Lens: Weighing the Validity of Same-Sex Marriages By Applying Arguments to Bisexuals and Transsexuals (81 PHIL. L.J. 789 (2006))” and “Articulating the Complete Philippine Right to Privacy, 82(4) PHIL. 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Last updated on: 1/13/2015 8:14:51 AM PST 36 States with Legal Gay Marriage and 14 States with Same-Sex Marriage Bans (dates reflect when laws took effect) * facebook * twitter * google+ * email * print * cite 36 States Have Legal Same-Sex Marriage gay marriage icons legal 25 by Court Decision Alaska (Oct. 17, 2014), Arizona (Oct. 17, 2014), California (June 28, 2013), Colorado (Oct. 7, 2014), Connecticut (Nov. 12, 2008), Florida (Jan. 6, 2015), Idaho (Oct. 13, 2014), Indiana (Oct. 6, 2014), Iowa (Apr. 24, 2009), Kansas (Nov. 12, 2014), Massachusetts (May 17, 2004), Montana (Nov. 19, 2014), Nevada (Oct. 9, 2014), New Jersey (Oct. 21, 2013), New Mexico (Dec. 19, 2013), North Carolina (Oct. 10, 2014), Oklahoma (Oct. 6, 2014), Oregon (May 19, 2014), Pennsylvania (May 20, 2014), South Carolina (Nov. 20, 2014), Utah (Oct. 6, 2014), Virginia (Oct. 6, 2014), West Virginia (Oct. 9, 2014), Wisconsin (Oct. 6, 2014), Wyoming (Oct. 21, 2014) 8 by State Legislature Delaware (July 1, 2013), Hawaii (Dec. 2, 2013), Illinois (June 1, 2014), Minnesota (Aug. 1, 2013), New Hampshire (Jan. 1, 2010), New York (July 24, 2011), Rhode Island (Aug. 1, 2013), Vermont (Sep. 1, 2009) 3 by Popular Vote Maine (Dec. 29, 2012), Maryland (Jan. 1, 2013), Washington (Dec. 9, 2012) Washington, DC legalized gay marriage on Mar. 3, 2010, the date marriage licenses became available to same-sex couples. 14 States Ban Same-Sex Marriage gay marriage icons illegal 13 by Constitutional Amendment and State Law Alabama (2006, 1998), Arkansas (2004, 1997), Georgia (2004, 1996), Kentucky (2004, 1998), Louisiana (2004, 1999), Michigan (2004, 1996), Mississippi (2004, 1997), Missouri (2004, 1996), North Dakota (2004, 1997), Ohio (2004, 2004), South Dakota (2006, 1996), Tennessee (2006, 1996), Texas (2005, 1997) 1 by Constitutional Amendment only Nebraska (2000) _____________________________________________________ 7 states where gay marriage bans have been overturned, but where appeals are in progress In 2013 and 2014, following the US Supreme Court's United States v. Windsor decision, gay marriage bans were overturned by court rulings in several states, but those rulings were put on hold pending appeals to the US Supreme Court. On Oct. 6, 2014, the Supreme Court declined to hear appeals from five of those states, and the decision immediately cleared the way for legal gay marriage in Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Six other states, Colorado, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, and Wyoming, were also potentially affected by the Supreme Court ruling because they were in the jurisdictions of the lower courts that had overturned the gay marriage bans. ARKANSAS – On May 9, 2014, Arkansas' gay marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional by Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza. Arkansas had previously banned gay marriage by both state law and voter-approved constitutional amendment. Some Arkansas counties began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples on May 10, 2014, while other counties refused to issue licenses. Arkansas Attorney General Dustin McDaniel requested that the State Supreme Court put a stay on Judge Piazza's ruling, but the request was denied on May 14, 2014. The Supreme Court effectively halted gay marriages from taking place, however, by noting that while Judge Piazza's ruling had struck down both the constitutional amendment and the state law, it had not affected an additional state law prohibiting county clerks from issuing same-sex marriage licenses. 456 licenses had been issued in total. On May 15, 2014, Judge Piazza expanded his ruling to strike down the additional law and any other measures that made gay marriage illegal, but on May 16, 2014 the State Supreme Court suspended that ruling, halting all gay marriages within the state. On Nov. 25, 2014, US District Judge Kristine Baker ruled the state's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, but stayed her own ruling, pending expected appeals. KENTUCKY – On July 1, 2014, US District Judge John G. Heyburn II ruled that Kentucky's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage violates the equal protection clause in the US Constitution. Judge Heyburn stated that the ban serves "no conceivable legitimate purpose," but stayed his own decision, pending the state's appeal. On Nov. 6, 2014, a three-judge panel of the Sixth US Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Heyburn's ruling 2-1, thus upholding the state's gay marriage ban. An appeal to either the full bench of the court or directly to the US Supreme Court is expected. MICHIGAN – On Mar. 21, 2014, a federal judge ruled Michigan's gay marriage ban unconstitutional. US District Judge Bernard Friedman wrote that "Today's decision... affirms the enduring principle that regardless of whoever finds favor in the eyes of the most recent majority, the guarantee of equal protection must prevail." Around 300 same-sex couples received marriage licenses before the US 6th Court of Appeals issued a stay on the decision on Mar. 22, 2014, making same-sex marriage illegal again in Michigan, pending the appeal process. On Mar. 28, 2014, US Attorney General Eric Holder stated that the marriages performed prior to the stay being issued would be recognized by the federal government: "These families will be eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages." On Nov. 6, 2014, a three-judge panel of the Sixth US Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Friedman's ruling 2-1, thus upholding the state's gay marriage ban. An appeal to either the full bench of the court or directly to the US Supreme Court is expected. MISSISSIPPI – On Nov. 25, 2014, US District Judge Carlton Reeves ruled the state's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, but stayed his own ruling, pending expected appeals. MISSOURI – On Nov. 5, 2014, St. Louis Circuit Judge Rex Burlison ruled that the state's gay marriage ban is unconstitutional. The ruling only applies to St. Louis, where same-sex couples began applying for marriage licenses shortly after the decision. On Nov. 7, 2014, US District Judge Ortrie D. Smith also ruled that the state's ban is unconstitutional, but stayed his own ruling. Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster announced that he will appeal the ruling to the Eighth US Circuit Court of Appeals. SOUTH DAKOTA – On Jan. 12, 2015, US District Judge Karen Schreier ruled South Dakota's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, stating that "Plaintiffs have a fundamental right to marry... South Dakota law deprives them of that right solely because they are same-sex couples and without sufficient justification." The ruling was put on hold pending the state's appeal to the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals. TEXAS – On Feb. 26, 2014, a federal judge ruled Texas' gay marriage ban unconstitutional. Judge Orlando Garcia wrote "Without a rational relation to a legitimate governmental purpose, state-imposed inequality can find no refuges in our U.S. Constitution." He then stayed his own decision pending appeal to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, leaving same-sex marriage illegal in Texas. Timeline of Same-Sex Marriage Bans and Legalizations by Effective Date of Laws Gay marriage 36 states legal 14 states banned Sources: 1. Associated Press, "Appeals Court Halts Gay Marriages in Alaska," usatoday.com, Oct. 15, 2014 2. Associated Press, "Federal Judge Strikes Down SC Gay Marriage Ban," washingtonpost.com, Nov. 12, 2014 3. Associated Press, "Judge Rules SD Same-Sex Marriage Ban Unconstitutional," nytimes.com, Jan. 12, 2015 4. Associated Press, "Justice Kennedy Blocks Gay Marriage Ruling for Idaho, Nevada," usatoday.com, Oct. 8, 2014 5. Associated Press, "'We're Walking on Clouds': Gay Marriages Begin in Nevada," nbcnews.com, Oct. 9, 2014 6. Saeed Ahmed, "Judge Overturns Alaska's Same-Sex Marriage Ban That Dates to 1998," cnn.com, Oct. 13, 2014 7. Cable News Network (CNN) staff, "Federal Judge Overturns Montana's Ban on Same-Sex marriage," cnn.com, Nov. 19, 2014 8. Curt Anderson, "Federal Judge Rules Florida Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional, but Delays Issuing of Licenses," ap.org, Aug. 21, 2014 9. Curt Anderson, "Judge Won't Lift Fla. Keys Gay Marriage Stay," ap.org, July 21, 2014 10. Curt Anderson, "Ruling Allows Same-Sex Marriages for Florida Keys," ap.org, July 17, 2014 11. Joseph Ax and Edith Honan, "New Jersey Judge Allows Same-Sex Marriage," reuters.com, Sep. 27, 2013 12. David Bailey, "Minnesota Governor Signs Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage," reuters.com, May 14, 2013 13. David Bailey and Kevin Murphy, "Kansas Ban on Same-Sex Marriage Unconstitutional: Judge," reuters.com, Nov. 4, 2014 14. Robert Barnes, "Federal Judge Strikes Down Va. Ban on Gay Marriage," washingtonpost.com, Feb. 14, 2014 15. Steve Barnes and Emily Le Coz, "U.S. Judges Overturn Gay Marriage Bans in Arkansas, Mississippi," reuters.com, Nov. 26, 2014 16. Eve Batey, "Farewell Prop 8: SF City Attorney Vows to Litigate Aggressively to Ensure Marriage Equality for California," www.sfappeal.com, June 26, 2013 17. Barb Berggoetz, "Indiana Won't Recognize Same-Sex Marriages Performed Last Month," indystar.com, July 9, 2014 18. Greg Botelho, "Same-Sex Marriages on Hold in Idaho, Given Go-Ahead in Arkansas," cnn.com, May 15, 2014 19. Greg Botelho and Bill Mears, "Texas Ban on Same-Sex Marriage Struck Down by Federal Judge," cnn.com, Feb. 27, 2014 20. Cable News Network (CNN), "Same-Sex Marriage in the United States," cnn.com, Oct. 14, 2014 21. Cindy Carcomo, "New Mexico Becomes Latest State to Legalize Gay Marriage," latimes.com, Dec. 19, 2013 22. Andrew DeMillo, "Arkansas High Court Suspends Gay Marriage Ruling," ap.org, May 16, 2014 23. Andrew DeMillo and Christiana Huynh, "Judge Strikes All Arkansas Bans on Gay Marriage," ap.org, May 15, 2014 24. Doug Denison, "Gay Marriage in Delaware to Become Legal July 1," www.delawareonline.com, May 7, 2013 25. Lyle Denniston, "Same-Sex Marriage May Go Ahead in Kansas," scotusblog.com, Nov. 12, 2014 26. Lyle Denniston, "Sixth Circuit: Now, a Split on Same-Sex Marriage," scotusblog.com, Nov. 6, 2014 27. Erik Eckholm, "Same-Sex Marriage Gains Cheer Gay Rights Advocates," www.nytimes.com, Nov. 7, 2012 28. Erik Eckholm, "Oklahoma’s Ban on Gay Marriage Is Unconstitutional, Judge Rules," www.nytimes.com, Jan. 14, 2014 29. Zachary Fagenson, "State Judge Strikes Down Florida's Gay Marriage Ban, Stays Ruling," reuters.com, July 25, 2014 30. Zack Ford, "Federal Judge Orders Indiana to Recognize Terminally Ill Woman’s Same-Sex Marriage," thinkprogress.org, Apr. 10, 2014 31. Andrew M. Francis, Hugo M. Mialon, and Handoe Peng, "In Sickness and in Health: Same Sex Marriage Laws and Sexually Transmitted Infections, Appendix: Legal References and Notes," Emory Law and Economics Research Paper No 11-97, www.emory.edu (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 32. Human Rights Campaign, "Marriage Center," www.hrc.org (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 33. Lawrence Hurley, "Supreme Court Allows Gay Marriage to Proceed in South Carolina," reuters.com, Nov. 20, 2014 34. Rachel La Corte, "Washington Voters Approve Gay Marriage," Associated Press, Nov. 9, 2012 35. Lambda Legal, "In Your State," www.lamdbalegal.org (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 36. William P. LaPiana, "Domestic Partnership Chart," www.actec.org (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 37. Tom LoBianco, "Court Puts Indiana Gay Marriage Ruling on Hold," ap.org, June 27, 2014 38. Marriage Law Foundation, "Marriage Statutes," www.marriagelawfoundation.org (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 39. Bob Moen, Associated Press, "Wyoming Becomes Latest to Legalize Gay Marriage," abcnews.go.com, Oct. 21, 2014 40. Michael Muskal and Maura Dolan, "As Colorado Issues Gay Marriage Licenses, 9th Circuit Joins Chorus," latimes.com, Oct. 7, 2014 41. National Conference of State Legislatures, "Child Support and Family Law," www.ncsl.org (accessed Aug. 10, 2012) 42. Scott Neuman, "Federal Court Rules Against Missouri's Gay Marriage Ban," npr.org, Nov. 7, 2014 43. Brendan O'Brien, "Gay Marriage on Hold in Wisconsin Pending Appeal," reuters.com, June 13, 2014 44. Evan Perez and Tom Cohen, "Holder: Government to Recognize Michigan Gay Marriages," cnn.com, Mar. 28, 2014 45. Adam Polaski, "Federal Judge Rules in Missouri, Paving Way for the Freedom to Marry in Show Me State," freedomtomarry.org, Nov. 7, 2014 46. Adam Polaski, "St. Louis, Missouri to Begin Issuing Marriage Licenses after Victory in State Court," freedomtomarry.org, Nov. 5, 2014 47. Lauren Raab, "Third Judge Finds Florida's Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional," latimes.com, Aug. 4, 2014 48. Nicholas Riccardi, "Court Rules for Gay Marriage in Oklahoma Case," ap.org, July 18, 2014 49. Nicholas Riccardi, "Judge: Gay Couples Can Keep Marrying in Colorado," ap.org, July 10, 2014 50. Katharine Q. Seelye, "Rhode Island Joins States That Allow Gay Marriage," www.nytimes.com, May 2, 2013 51. Cynthia Sewell, "Otter May Continue Fight to Stop Gay Marriage," idahostatesman.com, Oct. 13, 2014 52. Maya Srikrishnan, "Denver Clerk Joins Boulder in Issuing Same-Sex Marriage Licenses," latimes.com, July 10, 2014 53. Jordan Steffen, "Adams Judge Tosses Colorado Gay Marriage Ban but Stays Ruling," denverpost.com, July 9, 2014 54. Jordan Steffen, "Colorado Supreme Court, Suthers Clear Way for Same-Sex Licenses," denverpost.com, Oct. 7, 2014 55. Jordan Steffen and John Ingold, "Colorado Supreme Court Puts Halt to Boulder Gay Marriage Licenses," denverpost.com, July 30, 2014 56. Jason Stein and Patrick Marley, "Court Rules against Wisconsin's, Indiana's Gay Marriage Bans," Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal-Sentinel, Sep. 4, 2014 57. Letitia Stein, "Florida Same-Sex Marriage Ban Declared Unconstitutional in Fourth Ruling," reuters.com, Aug. 5, 2014 58. Tribune Wire Reports, "Florida Becomes 36th State to Legalize Gay Marriage," chicagotribune.com, Jan. 6, 2015 59. USA Today, "Gay Marriage in Va. May Begin Next Week," usatoday.com, Aug. 13, 2014 60. Elizabeth Weise, "Federal Judge Allows Gay Marriages to Continue in Utah," usatoday.com, Dec. 23, 2013 61. Pete Williams, "Judge Strikes down Wyoming Gay Marriage Ban," nbcnews.com, Oct. 17, 2014 62. Pete Williams and Tracy Connor, "Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down Utah's Same-Sex Marriage Ban," nbcnews.com, June 25, 2014 63. Reid Wilson, et al., "States Issue First Marriage Licenses after Supreme Court Declines Appeals," washingtonpost.com, Oct. 9, 2014 64. Michael Winter, "Utah to Appeal Gay Marriage Case to Supreme Court," usatoday.com, July 9, 2014 65. Richard Wolf, "Alaska, Arizona Become Newest Same-Sex Marriage States," usatoday.com, Oct. 17, 2014 66. Richard Wolf, "Appeals Panel Strikes Down Virginia Gay Marriage Ban," usatoday.com, July 28, 2014 67. Richard Wolf, "Supreme Court Blocks Same-Sex Marriages in Virginia," usatoday.com, Aug. 20, 2014 68. Richard Wolf, "Supreme Court Puts Utah Same-Sex Marriage on Hold," usatoday.com, Jan. 6, 2014 More on our Gay Marriage Homepage Should Gay Marriage Be Legal? 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The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision Monday to decline hearing a series of appeals cases on same-sex marriage will have the effect of immediately legalizing gay marriage in Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. When combined with the 19 states (and the District of Columbia) that had previously legalized same-sex marriage, these states have a collective population of roughly 165 million, according to 2013 census figures. That means for the first time, same-sex marriage is legal for the majority of the U.S. population. The 26 states where the practice is not legal have a total population of about 151 million. The Supreme Court’s decision may also lead to the legalization of same-sex marriage in Colorado, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia and Wyoming. Those states have an additional 25 million people combined. If they follow suit, 30 states and the District, totaling about 60 percent of the U.S. population, would allow same-sex marriage. 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As the nation waits for a looming Supreme Court decision on marriage equality, lower courts' rulings have continued coming in. As the decisions pile up, it can get a little difficult to track which same-sex marriage bans are legally valid and which have been overturned. This simple list tracks where each state stands. States where same-sex couples can or will soon be able to marry • Florida: A federal judge on August 21 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. The Supreme Court refused to stay the decision, allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry in the state starting on January 6. A state judge allowed marriages to begin one day earlier — on January 5 — in Miami-Dade County. • South Carolina: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on July 28 struck down Virginia's same-sex marriage ban. Since the Fourth Circuit Court presides over South Carolina, the decision should take effect there now that the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the circuit court's ruling. A federal judge on November 12 affirmed the Fourth Circuit Court's ruling, allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry on November 20 after the Supreme Court and Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals denied stays on the decision. • Montana: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on October 7 struck down Idaho and Nevada's same-sex marriage bans. Since the Ninth Circuit Court presides over Montana, the decision should take effect there. A federal judge on November 19 lifted the state's same-sex marriage ban, allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry immediately. • Kansas: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on June 25 struck down Utah's same-sex marriage ban. Since the 10th Circuit Court presides over Kansas, the decision takes effect there now that the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the circuit court's ruling. A federal court on November 4 reinforced the circuit court's ruling, and the Supreme Court on November 12 allowed same-sex marriages to move forward. • Missouri: A federal judge on November 7 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. But the state's ban remains in place until the case works through the legal appeals process, although a state judge on November 6 allowed same-sex marriages to begin in St. Louis County. • Wyoming: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on June 25 struck down Utah's same-sex marriage ban. Since the 10th Circuit Court presides over Wyoming, the decision took effect there after the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the circuit court's ruling. A federal judge on October 17 reinforced the circuit court's ruling. State officials, after announcing they won't appeal the decision, allowed same-sex couples to wed starting on October 21. • Alaska: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on October 7 struck down Idaho and Nevada's same-sex marriage bans. Since the Ninth Circuit Court presides over Alaska, the decision took effect there. With a federal court's decision on October 12, same-sex marriages were briefly allowed to begin. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on October 15 placed the weddings on hold until October 17 to give an appeal time to go in front of the US Supreme Court, but the Supreme Court on October 17 denied the appeal, allowing same-sex couples to marry. • Arizona: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on October 7 struck down Idaho and Nevada's same-sex marriage bans. Since the Ninth Circuit Court presides over Arizona, the decision took effect there. A federal judge on October 17 reinforced the Ninth Circuit Court's decision, allowing same-sex couples to wed immediately in the state. • Idaho: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on October 7 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban, but the US Supreme Court initially put the ruling on hold. The Supreme Court on October 10 lifted its stay, and the Ninth Circuit Court on October 13 said same-sex couples can marry in Idaho starting on October 15. • North Carolina: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on July 28 struck down Virginia's same-sex marriage ban. Since the Fourth Circuit Court presides over North Carolina, the decision took effect there after the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the circuit court's ruling. With a federal court's decision on October 10, same-sex marriages were allowed to begin. • Nevada: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on October 7 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. After state officials announced they won't appeal the case further, courts cleared same-sex marriages to begin in Nevada. • West Virginia: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on July 28 struck down Virginia's same-sex marriage ban. Since the Fourth Circuit Court presides over West Virginia, the decision took effect there after the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the circuit court's ruling. On October 9, West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey and Governor Earl Ray Tomblin announced they will not fight a challenge to the state's same-sex marriage ban, allowing same-sex couples to marry no later than October 14. • Colorado: The Colorado Supreme Court on October 7 cleared the way for same-sex marriages in the state, after the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals on June 25 struck down Utah's same-sex marriage ban — in a ruling that spans the entire 10th circuit, including Colorado — and the Supreme Court on October 6 rejected an appeal on the 10th circuit ruling. • Indiana: The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on September 4 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. When the Supreme Court rejected an appeal, same-sex marriage became effectively legal. • Oklahoma: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on July 18 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. When the Supreme Court rejected an appeal, same-sex marriage became effectively legal. • Utah: The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on June 25 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. When the Supreme Court rejected an appeal, same-sex marriage became effectively legal. • Virginia: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on July 28 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. When the Supreme Court rejected an appeal, same-sex marriage became effectively legal. • Wisconsin: The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, following a lower court's decision, on September 4 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. When the Supreme Court rejected an appeal, same-sex marriage became effectively legal. Also: • Oregon, Pennsylvania, Illinois, California, Delaware, Hawaii, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Maine, Washington, New York, District of Columbia, New Hampshire, Iowa, Vermont, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. States where courts overturned bans, but rulings are under appeal • Alabama: A federal judge on January 23 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. It's unclear at this point whether gay and lesbian couples can marry immediately. • South Dakota: A federal judge on January 12 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. But the decision was put on hold as the case works through legal appeals processes. • Mississippi: A federal judge on November 25 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. But the decision was put on hold as the case works through legal appeals processes. • Arkansas: An Arkansas judge on May 10 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. A federal judge on November 25 also struck down the state's marriage ban. But the state's ban remains in place until the cases work through legal appeals processes. • Louisiana: A federal judge on September 3 upheld the state's same-sex marriage ban — the first time a federal court ruled against same-sex marriage rights since the Supreme Court's decision. But a state judge on September 22 struck down Louisiana's ban. • Texas: A federal judge on February 26 struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban. But the state's ban remains in place until the case works through the legal appeals process. States where same-sex marriage bans are in effect but are being challenged in court • Kentucky: The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on November 6 upheld the state's same-sex marriage ban. The decision is being appealed to the Supreme Court. • Ohio: The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on November 6 upheld the state's same-sex marriage ban. The decision is being appealed to the Supreme Court. • Michigan: The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on November 6 upheld the state's same-sex marriage ban. The decision is being appealed to the Supreme Court. • Tennessee: The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals on November 6 upheld the state's same-sex marriage ban. The decision is being appealed to the Supreme Court. Also: • Georgia, Nebraska, and North Dakota. * Filed under: * Marriage Equality Tweet Share on Twitter Share Share on Facebook + LinkedIn Share on LinkedIn Email Email Print Print Read This * The way we get off airplanes makes absolutely no sense * The scariest fact about the Disneyland measles outbreak * Even Fox News is outraged at Boehner and Netanyahu's plan to undermine Obama * Queen Elizabeth II once terrorized King Abdullah — by driving him around * Chart: The 12 actors that voice over 100 Simpsons characters * Every movie rewrites history. What American Sniper did is much, much worse. 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Posted: October 22, 2014 | Author: insidejbs | Filed under: Uncategorized | Tags: Congress, constitution, Defense of Marriage Act, DOMA, John McManus, judicial activists, marriage, Supreme Court, The John Birch Society, Thomas Jefferson, traditional marriage |4 Comments Stop Legalizing Same Sex Marriage! by JBS President John F. McManus There are, of course, many who insist that conferring legitimacy on same-sex marriage is perfectly proper, even overdue. Permit this writer to label the idea absurd, even an attack on civilization itself. “Supporters of traditional marriage rallied Tuesday in downtown San Diego outside the Federal Courthouse one day after those in favor of same sex marriage rallied in the same spot.” (Fox5 San Diego) If marriage between two men or two women is legal, even fostered by some in government, then the question ought to arise about how such a departure from previous norms became accepted. The answer is that there has been a turning away from traditional moors by the people, and the emergence of activist judges, even within the highest court in the land, who claim power to set their own rules for the conduct of fellow Americans, or who wink at the discarding of previous norms by their judicial partners. One can only wonder what will be next. Will polygamy and polyandry be accepted? Will children be targeted? Will any sanctions against what has always been considered aberrant behavior be cast aside? In just a few years, the nation has gone from a strict view of traditional marriage to open season on its actual meaning. With a large margin, Congress passed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), but the Supreme Court voided it. State after state has bowed to pressure from the homosexual lobby and given a green light to what had previously been termed abominable. Then, in October 2014, the Supreme Court turned its back on marriage by refusing to stop lower court federal judges from canceling existing state laws against the procedure. Which brings us to the question: Is there any recourse for those who value the traditional moors that have always characterized this nation and Western civilization itself? And the answer is that there are some steps that can be taken – but only if there are enough concerned Americans who demand that leaders take them. First, there has to be a realization that members of the judicial branch have no authorization to make law. Those who do so should be labeled “judicial activists” and barred from meddling where they have no authorization. Second, the Constitution’s Article III, Section 1 grants Congress power to abolish federal district courts (called “inferior Courts”) and to remove from office any judges who do not adhere to “good behavior.” Judicial activism is a prime example of bad behavior. Third, The Constitution’s Article III, Section 2 grants Congress power to limit the court’s jurisdiction over whatever topics it chooses. Congress could have forbidden the federal courts from having anything to say about abortion. In like manner, Congress has the power to tell the Supreme Court and all federal courts that they have no say in marriage. Will Congress use its constitutional powers to reverse the advances that threaten to overturn the moral base of the great experiment known as America? It’s up to U.S. citizens to push hard for members of the House and Senate to do exactly that. In 1821, more than a decade after he had left office as President, Thomas Jefferson spoke out about usurpation of authority by the courts. He stated: It has long, however, been my opinion … that the germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal judiciary …working like gravity by day and by night, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all shall be consolidated into one. To this I am opposed; because when all government shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided … and will become as venal and oppressive as the government [of King George] from which we separated. The Jeffersonian warning surely applies today. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Mr. McManus joined the staff of The John Birch Society in August 1966 and has served various roles for the organization including Field Coordinator, Director of Public Affairs, and now President. He remains the Society’s chief media representative throughout the nation and has appeared on hundreds of radio and television programs. Mr. McManus is also Publisher of The New American magazine and author of a number of educational DVDs and books. Share this: * Twitter * Facebook * Google * More * * Reddit * Email * * Like this: Like Loading... 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Douglas A. Logan says: October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm Amen to John McManus’s article on the legalizing of Same Sex Marriage. Same Sex Marriage makes about much sense as “Dry Water”. Thank you John McManus for such a good and informative article. Come on AMERICA, inform everyone you know and more importantly write and call your U S Representatives and Senators and express your disregard. LikeLike Reply + Fank M. Pelteson says: October 22, 2014 at 6:25 pm Praising Mr. McManus is necessary, but taking action in this regard is necessary and sufficient. One action ought to be to join The John Birch Society and enact its agenda. See http://www.jbs.org/join-jbs/join-jbs . LikeLike Reply 2. rockinraleigh2013 says: October 23, 2014 at 1:58 pm We need to get out and vote to take back the Senate. If we can do that then perhaps Congress will at last be able to intervene in the marriage case and prevent these treasonous socialist lackey judges of Otraitor to usurp the meaning any further and allow the states their right to allow the voters to decide. If that would be the case, state after state would ban same sex marriage and the gags would be literally dead in the water. LikeLike Reply 3. Michael D. Shaw says: October 27, 2014 at 1:00 pm Good piece, but please change “moors” to “mores.” Even then, I am not sure that “mores” is the correct word, since it means The essential or characteristic customs and conventions of a community. As such, no basic morality is necessarily implied. Indeed, there are all sorts of mores that Muslims have, that Western Civilization might object to. 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Blankenhorn, founder and president of the Institute for American Values, testified that allowing gays and lesbians to wed would undermine traditional marriage. That's when the fireworks began. During hours of withering cross examination by Prop. 8 opponent David Boies, Blankenhorn bickered, argued and stonewalled -- often refusing to answer Boies' "yes or no" questions with a one word answer. Speaking of marriage at one point Blankenhorn said, "If you change the definition of the 'thing', it is hard to imagine how it wouldn't have an impact on the 'thing'." It left both men -- and Judge Vaughn Walker -- a little exasperated. Boies also questioned Blankenhorn's appearance as an "expert witness." (Blankenhorn earned a masters degree in England, where he studied the history of labor unions.) Under persistent questioning by Boies, Blankenhorn was forced to acknowledge that legalizing same sex marriage would most likely "improve the well being of gay and lesbian households and their children." Blankenhorn also confirmed an earlier statement in a 2007 book that the U.S. would be "more American on the day we permit same-sex marriage than we we were on the day before." A perfect witness for Prop. 8 Mr. Blankenhorn was not. And his ambivalence on the stand makes his conversion to same sex supporter less than surprising. The question now is how far will he go? Will he file an amicus brief for the opponents of Prop. 8 if and when it reaches the U.S. Supreme Court? Where does his evolution end? Filed under: Case Background, LGBT Community, Testimony RSS Subscribe « PREV: Appeals Court Upholds Walker's Decision NEXT: Follow KQED's Prop. 8 Supreme Court Coverage on News Fix » Comments are closed. * Most Visited * Facebook 1. 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All Rights Reserved. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Contact Us logo NEWS • BLOGS • SUBSCRIBE • DONATE Same-Sex Marriage Case(s) Heading to U.S. Supreme Court? Posted by Joan Desmond on Thursday Nov 6th, 2014 at 8:45 PM Article main image On Nov.6, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, as expected, upheld state laws that effectively barred same-sex marriage in Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee, reported The New York Times. Reacting to the news, constitutional experts predicted that the new ruling, which breaks with previous circuit court decisions on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage, will likely prompt the U.S. Supreme Court to hear one or more cases dealing with the issue by the next term, with a ruling likely by June. Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone, the USCCB's point man on this issue, praised the decision Judge Jeffrey Sutton, writing for the majority in the 2-1 decision, ruled that state laws banning legal marriage between same-sex couples did not violate the right to equal protection and due process, guaranteed under the Constitution, as a slew of lower court decisions found. Ed Whelan’s helpful summery of Judge Sutton’s findings, which include his acceptance of legal arguments that present a “rational” basis for defining marriage as a union of one man and one woman, is here. In a break with other circuit decisions on this issue, Judge Sutton concluded that any significant change in state laws governing the institution of marriage should be decided by the Supreme Court or by “the less expedient, but usually reliable, work of the state democratic processes.” As Fox News noted, the justices have yet to issue a definitive ruling on this issue The high court on Oct. 6 unexpectedly turned away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit gay and lesbian unions. The court's order effectively made gay marriage legal in 30 states. The San Francisco-based 9th Circuit Court of Appeals the next day overturned same-sex marriage bans in Idaho and Nevada, the fourth federal appeals court to rule against state bans. A total of 32 states, along with the District of Columbia, now permit same-sex couples to legally marry Previous Post Next Post Go Back | Go Home Mobile | Desktop © 2015 National Catholic Register stats for wordpress [p?c1=2&c2=7584020&cv=2.0&cj=1] #RSS 2.0 * Home * News * Politics * Marriage Equality * Discrimination * Culture * Women’s Rights * Immigration * International * Opinion * Donate * Masthead * Contact * About [buddy.png?1394057289] Source: Flickr Ben Brenkert by Ben Brenkert November 09, 2014 12:16 PM How The Media Helps Pope Francis Harm The LGBT Community Ben Brenkert by Ben Brenkert November 09, 2014 12:16 PM When the Vatican last month released a document that initially called for the "welcoming" of gay people, the media reacted by calling it "an earthquake." But is the media complicit in the Vatican's refusal to deal with LGBT people honestly and equally? Guest Author Benjamin Brenkert, an openly gay ex-Jesuit, explains. Change the conversation, change the world Share this [INS: :INS] Recently a friend at the General Theological Seminary in New York City, where I am studying to become an Episcopalian priest, reminded me about the “shocking” news regarding the “pastoral earthquake” symbolized by the Roman Catholic Synod on the Family’s provisional document titled Relatio. In the same breadth my friend surmised that the Archdiocese of New York would not need to close 55 parishes if they adapted to the signs of the times, and got out of the homes of gay and lesbian men and women. As an openly gay ex-Jesuit I told my friend that the media’s love of Pope Francis harms the truth about the place of the LGBTQ community in the Roman Catholic Church. I reminded my friend that Pope Francis I’s hand-picked authors of Relatio posed this myopic question to the other gay and straight prelates in attendance: Can the Roman Catholic Church accept and value gay and lesbian Roman Catholics who offer their ministerial gifts and talents, time, and treasure, to the Church without compromising Catholic doctrine or tradition? I reminded my friend that the all-male gay and straight prelates at the Synod did not demand that Roman Catholic institutions rehire fired LGBTQ employees or volunteers, they did not discuss employment non-discrimination laws, they did not invite same-sex couples to discuss dating, love or their marriages, they did not invite the biological or adopted children of same-sex couples to discuss life at home with two mommies or two daddies, they did not encourage gay men to pursue the priesthood, they did not walk back on hateful language vocalized about LGBTQ people by Popes John Paul II or Benedict XVI, they did not condemn punitive laws that penalize LGBTQ men and women in countries like Russia, Egypt, Uganda or Jamaica. No openly gay man or lesbian woman was invited to mass during the Synod or to pray with the prelates. No one admitted publicly, nor did the media report, that some of the prelates in attendance were gay men; no prelate took this historic meeting as an opportunity to come out of the closet. The Roman Catholic Church did not apologize for centuries of anti-gay theology that has tormented the LGBTQ community for millennia. What did happen? The media quickly saturated the news cycle with stories about the newfound acceptance and welcome of gay men and lesbian women, forgetting about the spiritual desires and needs of bisexual, transgender and queer people. In their quest to push the Roman Church forward the media let countless LGBTQ men and women and youth down. The media sought out the Jesuit priest Jim Martin for public comments, to which he called Relatio “revolutionary.” In their quest to answer Pope Francis’ question, “Who am I to judge?” the media damaged their own credible characterizations of that question, and made the context of and truth about his famous question irrelevant. The media is swept-up by the ambiguity of the charming 77-year old Argentine Pope Francis, all too willing to pervasively mischaracterize his very specific response to a reporter’s direct question about celibate gay men currently seeking ordination to the priesthood. To that question Pope Francis said: Who am I to judge whether or not a currently celibate gay man should actively continue to pursue the priesthood in the Roman Catholic Church? I wish Pope Francis had been more discerning, more prudent, more Jesuitical, and more audacious at that moment. Pope Francis still hasn’t answered his own question. But the media has! Over the past 10 years as a member of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) in good standing I’ve met many celibate gay or straight Roman Catholic seminarians, priests, brothers and nuns. I’ve worked alongside many different laypeople in cities like Rio De Janeiro, New York City, Cochabamba, New Orleans, Barcelona, San Jose, Saint Louis, Syracuse, Rome and Boston. Today I am no longer a Jesuit. I left the order over the firing of Colleen Simon, a lesbian who was fired from her position as director of outreach at the Jesuit-run parish in Kansas City, MO. I left an upper middle class lifestyle, where many gay and straight men do good work with the poor. I could not be an openly gay Jesuit priest, and never (ever) would I be allowed to bless the same-sex relationship of a gay or lesbian couple. To me, the Church remains sadly out of touch with reality, complacent not prophetic, welcoming but not radically honest or radically hospitable. I question how gay priests can serve authentically, with integrity, and not marry gay men or lesbian women; is this not hypocritical: that, while the Church sanctifies, blesses and sacramentalizes a gay or straight man’s ordination to the priesthood, the Church will not sanctify, bless or sacramentalize same-sex marriages. The media does not seem interested in this. This proves to me that the media is not interested in reporting that the institutional Church does not see humanity or human sexuality as intimately connected to God, as much as the Psalmist or the author of the Song of Songs or Saint Paul or Jesus himself might. And as the recent Synod reminds me the Church still distorts human sexuality, all the while good and holy gay and straight celibate priests serve Her whether they are closeted, confused, internally homophobic or marginalized because of their status as openly gay. To me it was a major let down to see Pope Francis let prelates like the bombastic Cardinal Timothy Dolan walk back on a language of inclusion of lesbian women and gay men, whereas even stating that LGBTQ men and women are nice and have talents proved too of-this-world for the Church’s all-male hierarchy. Today, Fr. Martin’s comment about revolution sounds more and more loquacious. If Pope Francis or the media ever called me I’d tell them that we must rage against the Church and beckon her to radical honesty and radical hospitality, moving beyond mere welcome or mercy. LGBTQ Roman Catholics are well beyond the need of mere welcome or mercy, they need the Church to repair their broken and fractured relationships, all caused by a narrow theological argument about culture not nature. Imagine too just what might happen to LGBTQ men and women if the current Pope said: I have known and loved and served with my gay and straight Jesuit brothers around the world or more simply: I love gay and straight people. Imagine how many LGBTQ second-class citizens might be immediately rehabilitated to their broken families, released from physical or spiritual self-imprisonment, how many homeless LGBTQ youth might be welcomed home (some 200,000 LGBTQ youth are homeless in America alone). Imagine the stories of homecoming that the media could report! It is the Church who must tell the world, through the media, that she loves LGBTQ people – until then what is revolutionary about having doors wide open when they’ve had centuries of homophobic rhetoric that negatively labels the LGBTQ community and thwarts their human flourishing? Yes, the Roman Catholic Church should apologize and seek reconciliation for centuries upon centuries of hate-making speech and theology that has contributed to the death, marginalization and othering of LGBTQ people. Until this is done I fear that what the archconservative Cardinal Raymond Burke says is true, the Roman Catholic Church remains rudderless under the leadership of Pope Francis. And the media contributes to this by navigating the course and direction of a Pope too unwilling to answer his own question, Who am I to judge? 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Louisiana federal judge’s same-sex ruling also upholds ban on civil unions alternate alternate Something Like the Truth WordPress.com Something Like the Truth Menu Skip to content * Home * About Robert Mann * About this blog * Common Core Documents Signed by Jindal * My Books HomeDid Judge Feldman write the last anti-gay marriage ruling in US history? Did Judge Feldman write the last anti-gay marriage ruling in US history? October 10, 2014 Robert Mann Louisiana Politicsgay marriage, Louisiana, Martin Feldman, Plessy v Ferguson, same-sex marriage, U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, U.S. Supreme Court U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman By Robert Mann No one knows for sure if the 5^th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals will affirm U.S. District Judge Martin Feldman’s September decision that upheld Louisiana’s same-sex marriage ban. What we do know is that if any federal appeals court in the nation rules against same-sex marriage, it is likely to be a panel of ultra-conservative judges who make up the majority of the 5^th. Of course, it all depends on which individuals sit on that three-judge panel, or if all the court’s judges convene to consider the matter. However the decision unfolds, the eyes of the nation’s constitutional scholars are now on the New Orleans-based court. If it reaffirms Louisiana’s constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage, it would likely be the case that finally prompts a full Supreme Court hearing of the question. If most legal scholars are to be trusted, it is apparent that a majority of the court would rule in favor of nationwide marriage equality, even in Louisiana. On Monday, justices tacitly affirmed several appeals court rulings that declared unconstitutional five state laws — in Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin — that prohibit same-sex marriage. The following day, another federal appeals court found Idaho’s and Nevada’s same-sex marriage bans unconstitutional, adding at least two more states to the marriage equality list. In all, as many as 32 states — perhaps more — will soon allow same-sex couples to marry. That’s the good news. The bad news, of course, is that a Louisianian might be the last federal district judge in American history to rule against same-sex marriage. And a Louisiana-based federal appeals court could issue the final court ruling in our history that denies basic human rights to gays and lesbians. In other words, Louisiana might again offer up a landmark case in a human rights issue before the Supreme Court. If so, we will be, as we often are, on the wrong side of history. I say, “again,” with the case of Plessy v. Ferguson in mind. 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Within the broad spectrum of religious discourse, some may urge you to do that (Irshad Manji), some may view such a notion as ridiculous, abhorrent or both (the vast majority of traditionalist clerics, as any liberal Muslim would concede), but I will not address any of that here. I am not a cleric, I make no religious argument. Instead, I maintain that you can be a traditionalist Muslim and support same sex marriage as being legal in America, even if Islamically unacceptable. In fact, I think you should do it. How is it possible, if one is a traditionalist unwilling to recognize a homosexual relationship as licit or legitimate? Well, traditionalists do something like this already. They do a great deal of it, specifically in the area of marriage. The state explicitly recognizes particular forms of marital union that the shari’a, as understood traditionally, unequivocally condemns. Traditionalist approaches to Islam have always deemed the marriage of a Muslim woman to a non-Muslim man to be invalid. The matter is laid out no less clearly in the manuals of the classical jurists than the condemnation of homosexuality is. The marriage of the Muslim woman to the non-Muslim man is not a marriage and as such, the sex between them is illicit, a form of zina, and criminal, at least as criminal as homosexual acts would be in the classical manuals. Yet it would be something akin to insanity to suggest that the United States criminalize the marriage of Muslim women to non Muslim men. I know the “shari’a creep” elements worry about this, but no American Muslim I know has ever gone about suggesting they want the state to render such marriages illegal irrespective of the wishes of that Muslim woman. Even if someone does suggest it (probably an idiot, we have them too), no state code that did such a thing would be close to constitutional, it violates equal protection of genders, free exercise, establishment, equal protection of individuals by religion, due process and right to marry–it’s hard in fact to think of something else that violates this many rights at once. Again, we know this, we’ve internalized this, we’re happy in the United States even if its rules might afford state recognition of marriages the religion doesn’t. (Just so some Islamophobe does not get it in his head to copy the paragraph above to demonstrate the absolute incompatibility of Islam with American values, let me just point out the same conflict exists as between canon law and the state recognition of marriages of previously divorced couples. To the Catholic church, those are not marriages. Under American law, they are. No Catholic I know wants the law to strip recognition of these marriages, just like no Muslim does respecting interfaith marriages of Muslim women. And even if some Catholic did, it would violate a lot of constitutional provisions, as it would in the Muslim case vis a vis the marriages discussed above. And so forth. Which perhaps is why several decades ago it was the Catholics and not us who were supposedly “creeping” up on the US and threatening a takeover according to the xenophobes of their day. We’ll make it in eventually, and you’ll know it when a few decades from now when some American Muslim xenophobe starts complaining about some other religion or ethnic group creeping into America and threatening it. It’ll come, this I believe.) Why do we accept such rules despite their condemnation? What justifies it, assuming that is that one finds the traditional approaches to shari’a the more valid? Simply stated, borrowing from the work of others (Andrew March, Mohammad Fadel, etc.), though extending it further to be clear, it is the aman, a form of a social contract. We are free here to practice our religion, to proclaim it, to spread it even if we want to, and in return the deal is the adherence to and upholding of enshrined constitutional principles respecting human liberty and equality, across all religions. So a woman may convert to Islam and marry a Muslim man, or she may convert from Islam and marry a non-Muslim man. For many of us, me included, these principles of individual liberty and religious equality, from free speech to free exercise to equal protection, too broad a subject to be broached here in detail, have been deeply internalized and we believe in them as core constitutive civic values, even seeking to export them. For others, they might be ethical obligation by way of accommodation, followed just like a believer follows the rules of a contract, an obligation to pay their iphone bill every month. You do it as an ethical matter, not because you like it, not because you’ll be sued if you don’t (then it would not be an ethical obligation, purely a legal one), but because you like the service, you agreed to this and you are a Muslim, and the Qur’an requires the believers to uphold their contracts. But either way, you live up to the deal as ethical obligation, as a deal. So as Muslims what should we be afraid of? Not that the state is going to allow marriages that are unIslamic, we’ve signed on to that and it is an acceptable piece of the aman we’ve made. No, it’s the breaking of the aman we should fear, effectively a ripping up of the social contract. How does that happen? If the rules change and we are no longer free to practice our religion. Now one group of people would argue that happens with the rise of same sex marriage. Because once one allows same sex marriage, then it spreads, and then every religious institution has to recognize it, and if they don’t, then I don’t know, maybe the police come? They stand in the back with their radio speakers and their guns and drag the Imam off in handcuffs for refusing to marry a gay couple under the Qur’an and the tradition of the Apostle? Or something? As you can tell, I cannot imagine such a thing happening. But if it did, it would be a ripping up of the social contract, the one ensured by the constitution, and make a mockery of free exercise of religion. Few things are more violative of religious freedom to my mind than to compel a religious institution to perform a wedding it did not believe was valid under its religious tradition. Again, I don’t worry about this. If the US doesn’t do it for divorced Catholics now, it isn’t going to do it for same sex marriages. So what am I afraid of, how do I see the contract ripping up? By the folks currently threatening to rip it up, the ones who talk of shari’a as if it was a contagion, by the ones who want to deny our right to build our own houses of worship, by the ones threatening to pass laws that say that two people who meet to practice shari’a (that’s prayer; prayer rules are part of shari’a) are engaged in an act of terrorism, by presidential contenders who won’t hire us (Herman Cain), or who equate us with Nazis (Newt Gingrich), and by supposedly small government conservatives who are focused in getting the government into our lives on the theory that we are not a religion but a cult (which so far as I can tell means to them a religion that they do not particularly like). They’re still a fringe, but they’re real people, they exist while the folks who supposedly will force mosques to hold same sex marriage ceremonies do not. I think we’ll overcome this as I said above, I think we’ll win this war, not because I believe in Islam (I do, let me be clear, I do, but believing in Islam doesn’t mean it has to be tolerated here, and now, it’s been extinguished in limited places at limited times before) but because I beli eve in America and its ideals and think history is on our side. But those who threaten us are real, and present, and a danger, and they are promising to rip up our social contract if they ever get a chance. And not a one of them is gay. Because it isn’t only our social contract they’re looking to rip up, not only our freedoms they seek to infringe, not only us to whom they’d seek to deny equality. So I say support same sex marriage and uphold the contract. Uphold it because you believe in it, or uphold it because you’ve signed on to it and it is your Islamic, ethical obligation to do so even if it recognizes behavior you find sinful and illicit. But either way, uphold it. 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Petitions in the Supreme Court may be filed as early as late next week, according to those sources. That probably would head off any vote, called at the request of any judge on the Sixth Circuit, on whether to move to en banc review. ————– Depending upon how fast lawyers choose to move, the issue of same-sex marriage could be back before the Supreme Court in a matter of days. So far, only one option has been closed off. The remaining options have some, perhaps considerable, chances of success. The decision Thursday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, upholding bans on same-sex marriage in four states, has clearly increased the prospect that the Justices will now take on one or more appeals — perhaps even in time for decision in the current Term. Already, lawyers representing some of the same-sex couples involved have promised a swift appeal to the Supreme Court. A direct challenge to the Sixth Circuit’s ruling is one of a handful of potential ways to try to persuade the Court to step in now. When the Court on October 6 turned down seven petitions from five states, there was then no split in final decisions among federal courts of appeals in the most recent round of same-sex marriage lawsuits; all had struck down state bans. But the actual date of those denials is now decisive in taking away one option to appeal to the Court. Under the Court’s rules, a lawyer in any one of those cases could have asked the Justices to reconsider the denial. That is a tactic that almost never works, but there is an important modern precedent for doing so: after the Supreme Court had turned down a major case on the rights of war-on-terrorism detainees at Guantanamo Bay in 2007, it changed its mind, accepted review, and went on to issue a major constitutional ruling in 2008. Before the Sixth Circuit’s ruling on same-sex marriage, such a rehearing plea probably would have been futile. The option is no longer available: the Court’s Rule 44 says that a petition for rehearing of the denial of a petition must be filed within twenty-five days after the denial order was issued. And the rule specifies that the time “will not be extended.” So, for the seven petitions, that cutoff date has come and gone. What other options remain? There is the option of asking the Sixth Circuit itself to reconsider its ruling before the full bench (“en banc”) as a prelude to going on to the Supreme Court, but that would slow down the process considerably and very likely would delay the issue beyond the Court’s current Term. And, it appears, at least some of the lawyers and their clients have already ruled that out. Assuming a direct approach to the Supreme Court, here are some alternatives: Option 1: File one or more petitions for review, focusing on the Sixth Circuit’s ruling. While the Court’s rules allow ninety days before such a petition must be filed, no one expects any lawyer interested in prompt review to take that much time. Petitions could be filed very quickly because the lawyers involved are fully familiar with the issues, and need not write an exhaustive petition at this stage. It basically would be a matter of rearranging arguments already advanced in lower courts and then getting the documents printed — tasks that can be done very rapidly. Lawyers handling the several cases will be planning jointly, but that, too, need not take much time. Option 2: File a petition for review of a ruling by a different federal appeals court that has not yet been appealed to the Supreme Court and for which the ninety-day filing deadline has not yet been reached. There was not much promise of gaining Supreme Court review of such a case when there was no split in the appeals courts; now there is. Cases decided in the Ninth Circuit, for example, would be open to this option, particularly a case from Idaho. That is an option that might well be attracted to officials in a state who want to continue to strongly defend their same-sex marriage bans. Option 3: Ask the Supreme Court to grant review now of a case that is now pending in a federal appeals court, but has not yet been decided there. Such a petition for “certiorari before judgment” is allowed, as long as the case has formally been filed in a federal appeals court. That is already the situation for cases from Louisiana and Texas, in the Fifth Circuit; from Kansas, in the Tenth Circuit, and from Florida, in the Eleventh Circuit. It will soon be true in other courts of appeals, such as a Puerto Rico case in the First Circuit. Among those three options, Option 1 might have the most promise of gaining Supreme Court review because the Sixth Circuit’s decision is the one that broke the pattern, because it involves an array of cases from four states, raising the constitutionality of bans on both new same-sex marriages and the official state recognition of out-of-state same-sex marriages, because it was written by a highly respected court of appeals judge (Jeffrey S. Sutton), because it brought a stirring dissent by another well-regarded jurist (Senior Circuit Judge Martha Craig Daughtrey), and because the opinions swept across all of the issues that have been raised in case after case — even the rather obscure question whether a refusal to recognize an out-of-state same-sex marriage violates the constitutional right to travel, and the emotional question of whether a death certificate for a same-sex spouse who has now died should show that there was a surviving spouse. The time to prepare the papers in pursuing any one of the three options would not vary much between them. One thing, though, needs to be stressed: the Court itself still retains the option of choosing not to get involved. However, a month after it made that choice on October 6, the situation has changed dramatically, and that option has certainly diminished, if it hasn’t actually lapsed as a realistic matter. If any petition gets to the Court within the next few weeks (at the outside), it could be put before the Justices in time for a hearing and decision in the current Term. The seven petitions denied on October 6 were moved along at a much faster pace than normal. 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Last updated on: 1/13/2015 8:14:51 AM PST 36 States with Legal Gay Marriage and 14 States with Same-Sex Marriage Bans (dates reflect when laws took effect) * facebook * twitter * google+ * email * print * cite 36 States Have Legal Same-Sex Marriage gay marriage icons legal 25 by Court Decision Alaska (Oct. 17, 2014), Arizona (Oct. 17, 2014), California (June 28, 2013), Colorado (Oct. 7, 2014), Connecticut (Nov. 12, 2008), Florida (Jan. 6, 2015), Idaho (Oct. 13, 2014), Indiana (Oct. 6, 2014), Iowa (Apr. 24, 2009), Kansas (Nov. 12, 2014), Massachusetts (May 17, 2004), Montana (Nov. 19, 2014), Nevada (Oct. 9, 2014), New Jersey (Oct. 21, 2013), New Mexico (Dec. 19, 2013), North Carolina (Oct. 10, 2014), Oklahoma (Oct. 6, 2014), Oregon (May 19, 2014), Pennsylvania (May 20, 2014), South Carolina (Nov. 20, 2014), Utah (Oct. 6, 2014), Virginia (Oct. 6, 2014), West Virginia (Oct. 9, 2014), Wisconsin (Oct. 6, 2014), Wyoming (Oct. 21, 2014) 8 by State Legislature Delaware (July 1, 2013), Hawaii (Dec. 2, 2013), Illinois (June 1, 2014), Minnesota (Aug. 1, 2013), New Hampshire (Jan. 1, 2010), New York (July 24, 2011), Rhode Island (Aug. 1, 2013), Vermont (Sep. 1, 2009) 3 by Popular Vote Maine (Dec. 29, 2012), Maryland (Jan. 1, 2013), Washington (Dec. 9, 2012) Washington, DC legalized gay marriage on Mar. 3, 2010, the date marriage licenses became available to same-sex couples. 14 States Ban Same-Sex Marriage gay marriage icons illegal 13 by Constitutional Amendment and State Law Alabama (2006, 1998), Arkansas (2004, 1997), Georgia (2004, 1996), Kentucky (2004, 1998), Louisiana (2004, 1999), Michigan (2004, 1996), Mississippi (2004, 1997), Missouri (2004, 1996), North Dakota (2004, 1997), Ohio (2004, 2004), South Dakota (2006, 1996), Tennessee (2006, 1996), Texas (2005, 1997) 1 by Constitutional Amendment only Nebraska (2000) _____________________________________________________ 7 states where gay marriage bans have been overturned, but where appeals are in progress In 2013 and 2014, following the US Supreme Court's United States v. Windsor decision, gay marriage bans were overturned by court rulings in several states, but those rulings were put on hold pending appeals to the US Supreme Court. On Oct. 6, 2014, the Supreme Court declined to hear appeals from five of those states, and the decision immediately cleared the way for legal gay marriage in Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin. Six other states, Colorado, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia, and Wyoming, were also potentially affected by the Supreme Court ruling because they were in the jurisdictions of the lower courts that had overturned the gay marriage bans. ARKANSAS – On May 9, 2014, Arkansas' gay marriage ban was ruled unconstitutional by Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza. Arkansas had previously banned gay marriage by both state law and voter-approved constitutional amendment. Some Arkansas counties began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples on May 10, 2014, while other counties refused to issue licenses. Arkansas Attorney General Dustin McDaniel requested that the State Supreme Court put a stay on Judge Piazza's ruling, but the request was denied on May 14, 2014. The Supreme Court effectively halted gay marriages from taking place, however, by noting that while Judge Piazza's ruling had struck down both the constitutional amendment and the state law, it had not affected an additional state law prohibiting county clerks from issuing same-sex marriage licenses. 456 licenses had been issued in total. On May 15, 2014, Judge Piazza expanded his ruling to strike down the additional law and any other measures that made gay marriage illegal, but on May 16, 2014 the State Supreme Court suspended that ruling, halting all gay marriages within the state. On Nov. 25, 2014, US District Judge Kristine Baker ruled the state's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, but stayed her own ruling, pending expected appeals. KENTUCKY – On July 1, 2014, US District Judge John G. Heyburn II ruled that Kentucky's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage violates the equal protection clause in the US Constitution. Judge Heyburn stated that the ban serves "no conceivable legitimate purpose," but stayed his own decision, pending the state's appeal. On Nov. 6, 2014, a three-judge panel of the Sixth US Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Heyburn's ruling 2-1, thus upholding the state's gay marriage ban. An appeal to either the full bench of the court or directly to the US Supreme Court is expected. MICHIGAN – On Mar. 21, 2014, a federal judge ruled Michigan's gay marriage ban unconstitutional. US District Judge Bernard Friedman wrote that "Today's decision... affirms the enduring principle that regardless of whoever finds favor in the eyes of the most recent majority, the guarantee of equal protection must prevail." Around 300 same-sex couples received marriage licenses before the US 6th Court of Appeals issued a stay on the decision on Mar. 22, 2014, making same-sex marriage illegal again in Michigan, pending the appeal process. On Mar. 28, 2014, US Attorney General Eric Holder stated that the marriages performed prior to the stay being issued would be recognized by the federal government: "These families will be eligible for all relevant federal benefits on the same terms as other same-sex marriages." On Nov. 6, 2014, a three-judge panel of the Sixth US Circuit Court of Appeals overturned Judge Friedman's ruling 2-1, thus upholding the state's gay marriage ban. An appeal to either the full bench of the court or directly to the US Supreme Court is expected. MISSISSIPPI – On Nov. 25, 2014, US District Judge Carlton Reeves ruled the state's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, but stayed his own ruling, pending expected appeals. MISSOURI – On Nov. 5, 2014, St. Louis Circuit Judge Rex Burlison ruled that the state's gay marriage ban is unconstitutional. The ruling only applies to St. Louis, where same-sex couples began applying for marriage licenses shortly after the decision. On Nov. 7, 2014, US District Judge Ortrie D. Smith also ruled that the state's ban is unconstitutional, but stayed his own ruling. Missouri Attorney General Chris Koster announced that he will appeal the ruling to the Eighth US Circuit Court of Appeals. SOUTH DAKOTA – On Jan. 12, 2015, US District Judge Karen Schreier ruled South Dakota's gay marriage ban unconstitutional, stating that "Plaintiffs have a fundamental right to marry... South Dakota law deprives them of that right solely because they are same-sex couples and without sufficient justification." The ruling was put on hold pending the state's appeal to the 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals. TEXAS – On Feb. 26, 2014, a federal judge ruled Texas' gay marriage ban unconstitutional. Judge Orlando Garcia wrote "Without a rational relation to a legitimate governmental purpose, state-imposed inequality can find no refuges in our U.S. Constitution." He then stayed his own decision pending appeal to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, leaving same-sex marriage illegal in Texas. Timeline of Same-Sex Marriage Bans and Legalizations by Effective Date of Laws Gay marriage 36 states legal 14 states banned Sources: 1. Associated Press, "Appeals Court Halts Gay Marriages in Alaska," usatoday.com, Oct. 15, 2014 2. Associated Press, "Federal Judge Strikes Down SC Gay Marriage Ban," washingtonpost.com, Nov. 12, 2014 3. Associated Press, "Judge Rules SD Same-Sex Marriage Ban Unconstitutional," nytimes.com, Jan. 12, 2015 4. Associated Press, "Justice Kennedy Blocks Gay Marriage Ruling for Idaho, Nevada," usatoday.com, Oct. 8, 2014 5. Associated Press, "'We're Walking on Clouds': Gay Marriages Begin in Nevada," nbcnews.com, Oct. 9, 2014 6. Saeed Ahmed, "Judge Overturns Alaska's Same-Sex Marriage Ban That Dates to 1998," cnn.com, Oct. 13, 2014 7. Cable News Network (CNN) staff, "Federal Judge Overturns Montana's Ban on Same-Sex marriage," cnn.com, Nov. 19, 2014 8. Curt Anderson, "Federal Judge Rules Florida Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional, but Delays Issuing of Licenses," ap.org, Aug. 21, 2014 9. Curt Anderson, "Judge Won't Lift Fla. Keys Gay Marriage Stay," ap.org, July 21, 2014 10. Curt Anderson, "Ruling Allows Same-Sex Marriages for Florida Keys," ap.org, July 17, 2014 11. Joseph Ax and Edith Honan, "New Jersey Judge Allows Same-Sex Marriage," reuters.com, Sep. 27, 2013 12. David Bailey, "Minnesota Governor Signs Bill Legalizing Gay Marriage," reuters.com, May 14, 2013 13. David Bailey and Kevin Murphy, "Kansas Ban on Same-Sex Marriage Unconstitutional: Judge," reuters.com, Nov. 4, 2014 14. Robert Barnes, "Federal Judge Strikes Down Va. Ban on Gay Marriage," washingtonpost.com, Feb. 14, 2014 15. Steve Barnes and Emily Le Coz, "U.S. Judges Overturn Gay Marriage Bans in Arkansas, Mississippi," reuters.com, Nov. 26, 2014 16. Eve Batey, "Farewell Prop 8: SF City Attorney Vows to Litigate Aggressively to Ensure Marriage Equality for California," www.sfappeal.com, June 26, 2013 17. Barb Berggoetz, "Indiana Won't Recognize Same-Sex Marriages Performed Last Month," indystar.com, July 9, 2014 18. Greg Botelho, "Same-Sex Marriages on Hold in Idaho, Given Go-Ahead in Arkansas," cnn.com, May 15, 2014 19. Greg Botelho and Bill Mears, "Texas Ban on Same-Sex Marriage Struck Down by Federal Judge," cnn.com, Feb. 27, 2014 20. Cable News Network (CNN), "Same-Sex Marriage in the United States," cnn.com, Oct. 14, 2014 21. Cindy Carcomo, "New Mexico Becomes Latest State to Legalize Gay Marriage," latimes.com, Dec. 19, 2013 22. Andrew DeMillo, "Arkansas High Court Suspends Gay Marriage Ruling," ap.org, May 16, 2014 23. Andrew DeMillo and Christiana Huynh, "Judge Strikes All Arkansas Bans on Gay Marriage," ap.org, May 15, 2014 24. Doug Denison, "Gay Marriage in Delaware to Become Legal July 1," www.delawareonline.com, May 7, 2013 25. Lyle Denniston, "Same-Sex Marriage May Go Ahead in Kansas," scotusblog.com, Nov. 12, 2014 26. Lyle Denniston, "Sixth Circuit: Now, a Split on Same-Sex Marriage," scotusblog.com, Nov. 6, 2014 27. Erik Eckholm, "Same-Sex Marriage Gains Cheer Gay Rights Advocates," www.nytimes.com, Nov. 7, 2012 28. Erik Eckholm, "Oklahoma’s Ban on Gay Marriage Is Unconstitutional, Judge Rules," www.nytimes.com, Jan. 14, 2014 29. Zachary Fagenson, "State Judge Strikes Down Florida's Gay Marriage Ban, Stays Ruling," reuters.com, July 25, 2014 30. 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Granade ruled in favor of two Mobile women who sued to challenge Alabama’s refusal to recognize their 2008 marriage performed in California. The ruling is the latest in a string of wins for advocates of marriage rights. Judges have also struck down bans in several other Southern states, including the Carolinas, Florida, Mississippi and Virginia. The U.S. Supreme Court announced this month that it will take up the issue of whether gay couples have a fundamental right to marry and if states can ban such unions. Alabama plaintiffs Cari Searcy and Kimberly McKeand have been a couple for more than 14 years and have an 8-year-old son together who was conceived with the help of a sperm donor. They filed a federal lawsuit after a court refused to recognize Searcy as the adoptive parent of the boy because they were not spouses under Alabama law. “They are ecstatic. They are over-the-top happy about the ruling,” said Christine Cassie Hernandez, a lawyer representing the couple. Hernandez said the couple expected to win in court, but they were surprised that the decision came down so soon. Granade enjoined Strange from enforcing the bans, raising the question of whether the gay and lesbian couples could begin seeking marriage licenses. Advertisement Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange quickly filed a motion Friday evening asking the judge to put the decision on hold until the U.S. Supreme Court issues a ruling. Lawyers for the state argued there would be widespread confusion if “marriages are recognized on an interim basis that are ultimately determined to be inconsistent with Alabama law.” Alabama has two laws banning gay marriage, a state statute and a constitutional amendment called the “Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment” that was approved by 81 percent of state voters in 2006. Granade said both were in violation of the equal-protection and due-process clauses of the U.S. Constitution. 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About• Advertise• Copyright• Privacy• Terms of Use (mt) wordpress hit counter Quantcast Quantcast Quantcast #RSS Freedom To Marry * Home * Roadmap to Victory * Take Action * Blog * States * Resources * About * Donate Join Us Sign Up for Updates Email Address ______________________________ Zip Code ______________________________ (BUTTON) SIGN UP The Freedom to Marry Internationally Eighteen countries have approved the freedom to marry for same-sex couples nationwide (Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, Argentina, Denmark, France, Brazil, Uruguay, New Zealand, Britain, Luxembourg and Finland), while two others have regional or court-directed provisions enabling same-sex couples to share in the freedom to marry (Mexico and the United States). Many other countries provide some protections for such couples. As more and more countries and parts of the United States win the freedom to marry, we see that families are helped, and communities and countries made stronger, by protecting all loving committed couples. Click the map to enlargen it. (Last Updated: December 2014) [WorldMarriageMapDec2014.png] Countries with the Freedom to Marry The Netherlands: April 1, 2001 [Netherlands.jpg] The Netherlands was the first country to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage in 2001, when their Parliament voted 107-33 to eliminate discrimination from their marriage laws. The law requires that at least one member of the couple be a Dutch national or live in the Netherlands, and it took effect on April 1, 2001. Anne-Marie Thus, a Dutch lesbian who married in 2001, explains, "It's really become less of something that you need to explain. We're totally ordinary. We take our children to preschool every day. People know they don't have to be afraid of us." In December 2012, the Dutch Caribbean island of Saba also established the freedom to marry. Belgium: June 1, 2003 [Belgium.jpg] Belgium became the second country to legalize equal marriage on February 13, 2003, when King Albert II approved the bill, which had previously been passed by the Senate and Chamber of Representatives. Without fanfare, 91 of the 122 deputies in the Belgian Parliament voted for the change, which stipulates that only couples from countries with the freedom to marry can be married under Belgian law. Initially, gay and lesbian couples were not allowed to adopt children under the original legislation, but Parliament passed co-parenting for same-sex couples in 2006. Spain: July 3, 2005 [Spainflag.jpg] After the unexpected victory of the Spanish Socialist Party in 2004, the newly elected Prime Minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, moved to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage in the country. Despite serious opposition from the Catholic Church, a majority of Spaniards supported the measure, and the Parliament voted 187 to 147 in favor of the freedom to marry. The law states that at least one partner must be a Spanish citizen in order to legally marry, although it also allows couples to marry if they have legal residence in Spain. Following passage and enactment in 2005, Zapatero's said: "We were not the first, but I am sure we will not be the last. After us will come many other countries, driven ... by two unstoppable forces: freedom and equality." In July 2012, after some speculation about repealing the freedom to marry from Spain's new president, the country's Constitutional Court reaffirmed that the freedom to marry was constitutional and ruled that it could not be repealed. Canada: July 20, 2005 [Canadaflag.jpg] On June 28, 2005, the House of Commons in Canada passed the Civil Marriage Act, which was then passed by the Senate on July 19. The Civil Marriage Act, which received Royal Assent on July 20, provided a gender-neutral definition of marriage. The national legislation passed after more than three quarters of Canadian provinces and territories legalized same-sex unions. Since marriage laws in Canada do not have residency requirements, same-sex couples who travel from the United States to Canada may also get married there. Canadian leaders adamantly supported full marriage, as opposed to civil union legislation, saying that they recognized the importance of full equality. Canada's Prime Minister at the time, Paul Martin, explained, "We've come to the realization that instituting civil unions — adopting a 'separate but equal' approach — would violate the equality provisions of the [Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms]. We've confirmed that extending the right of civil marriage to gays and lesbians will not in any way infringe on religious freedoms." South Africa: November 30, 2006 [SouthAfrica.jpg] In December 2005, the Constitutional Court of South Africa ruled that denying marriage to same-sex couples violates the country's constitution and gave the Parliament one year to adjust laws to comply with the ruling. The court also made it clear enacting only a civil unions law would not work. On November 14, 2006, Parliament voted, 230 to 41, to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage in South Africa, making the nation the first in Africa to do so. Norway: January 1, 2009 [Norwayflag.jpg] On June 11, 2008, members of Parliament in Norway approved a gender-neutral bill that ended the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage by a vote of 84-41. Family Issues minister Anniken Huitfeldt noted, "The new law won't weaken marriage as an institution. Rather, it will strengthen it. Marriage won't be worth less because more can take part in it." The Scandinavian country had already allowed gay and lesbian couples to enter into civil partnerships but realized that such partnerships did not provide equality. The law was backed by the ruling red-green coalition of the Labour Party, the Centre Party and the Socialist Left Party, as well as members of the opposition Conservatives and Liberals. Socialist Left Party leader Kristin Halvorsen, also finance minister, said the bill was for "equal rights" and against all forms of discrimination. Sweden: May 1, 2009 [Sweden.jpg] On April 1, 2009, a broad majority of the Swedish Parliament voted in support of a bill to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage. The proposal was approved by a 261 to 22 vote, with 16 abstentions. The new legislation took effect as of May 1, 2009, replacing the legislation approved in 1995 that allowed gay couples to form a union in Sweden via registered partnership. Couples who have registered partnership can keep that status or amend it to a marriage by an application to the authorities. On October 22, 2009, the Church of Sweden's board voted to allow priests to wed same-sex couples using the term "marriage." Portugal: June 5, 2010 [Portugal.jpg] On May 18, 2010, Portugal's President ratified a law that was passed in January 2010 by Portugal's parliament to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage. The law was upheld as constitutional by the Portuguese Constitutional Court in April and was officially published in the official gazette of Portugal on May 31 and took effect a few days later. Iceland: June 27, 2010 [Iceland.jpg] On June 11, 2010, Iceland’s parliament unanimously voted, 49 to 0, to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage. The Althingi parliament voted to add the words “man and man, woman and woman” to the country’s existing marriage legislation. In 2009, the country became the first in the world to elect an openly gay head of state, when Johanna Sigurdardottir became the prime minister. Iceland is the seventh country in Europe to uphold the freedom to marry, and ninth in the world. Argentina: July 22, 2010 [argentina.jpg] On July 15, 2010 Argentina became the first country in Latin America to uphold the freedom to marry for gay and lesbian couples. The legislation was approved by a 33 to 27 vote, with 3 abstentions by the Argentine National Congress. It gives same-sex couples the same rights and protections as different-sex couples, including the ability to adopt. The law was backed by the government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who signed the measure into law on July 21, 2010. Denmark: June 15,2012 [DenmarkFlag.jpg] On June 7, 1989, Denmark passed a first-of-its-kind law allowing same-sex couples to receive the same legal and fiscal rights provided by marriage through registered partnerships (with the exception of laws making explicit references to the sexes of married couples and regulations of international treaties). On January 18, 2012, the government of Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt introduced a gender-neutral marriage bill that would legalize marriage between same-sex couples through civil registry or the Church of Denmark. The bill passed by a vote of 85-24 on June 7, 2012 and took effect on June 15, 2012. Brazil: May 14, 2013 [Brazil.jpg] On May 14, 2013, the National Council of Justice in Brazil ruled that government offices that issue marriage licenses have no standing to reject same-sex couples from marriage. Since 2011, federal marriage laws in Brazil have been somewhat confusing: On May 5, 2011, the Supreme Federal Court voted to allow same-sex couples nationwide many of the legal rights as married couples (through a mechanism called "stable union"), and since June 2011, same-sex couples joined together in "stable union" may petition judges to convert their union into a marriage. The two-step process to being married can be performed across Brazil, and in recent months, many jurisdictions have ordered a final end to the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage. Before the May 2013 ruling, 14 of Brazil's 27 jurisdictions had passed the freedom to marry. France: May 29, 2013 [FranceFlagResource.png] On April 23, 2013, the National Assembly in France took a final vote to approve the freedom to marry. The following month, on May 18, French President François Hollande signed the bill into law. The bill passed with overwhelming support in both houses - by a 331-225 final vote in the Assembly and 179-157 final vote in the Senate. The first wedding occurred in Monpellier, between Vincent Autin and Bruno Boileau. Uruguay: August 5, 2013 [UruguayFlagResource.jpg] On April 10, the lower House of the Uruguayan legislature approved a bill to extend the freedom to marry to same-sex couples, marking the final vote in the process of ending the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage across the country. President José Mujica signed the bill on May 3, and Uruugay became the third country in Latin America to end the exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage nationwide when the law took effect on August 5. New Zealand: August 19, 2013 [NewZealandFlagResource.png] On April 17, the Parliament in New Zealand took a final vote to approve a bill to extend the freedom to marry to same-sex couples. The Parliament previously cleared the bill on August 29, 2012 and March 12, 2013. Prime Minister John Key vocally supported the freedom to marry throughout the national conversation on why marriage matters. The first weddings between same-sex couples took place on August 19. United Kingdom (England, Wales, Scotland) [BritishFlagInternational.png] On July 17, 2013, the Queen of England granted royal assent to a bill extending the freedom to marry to same-sex couples in England. The final approval came after the British House of Commons and House of Lords voted overwhelmingly in favor of the legislation multiple times. Same-sex couples in England and Wales were able to begin marrying on March 29, 2014. In the fall of 2013, on November 20, a marriage bill also passed Stage 1 of the process in Scotland, with a final debate and vote approving the bill for good on February 4, 2014. The first marriages in Scotland will take place on December 31, 2014. Luxembourg: June 18, 2014 [LuxembourgFlag.png] On June 18, 2014, the Luxembourg Chamber of Deputies approved a bill that will extend the freedom to marry to same-sex couples in Luxembourg by an overwhelming vote of 56 to 4. A final vote, largely seen as a formality, will be held shortly, and the bill takes place six months after the final vote - which could be as soon as January 2015. Finland: November 28, 2014 [FinlandFlag.png] On Nobember 28, 2014, the Finnish Parliament approved an amendment legalizing marriage between same-sex couples. The vote was passed with 105 members of parliament supporting it and 92 opposing. This amendment gave the same adoption rights to same-sex couples as heterosexual couples, as well. After this vote, Finland became the 12th European state to legalize marriage between same-sex couples. Countries with Regional Freedom to Marry The United States [UnitedStatesFlag.jpg] Individual states in the United States have been left to decide their own marriage laws. On May 17, 2004, Massachusetts became the first state to provide the freedom to marry to same-sex couples. Since then, Same-sex couples have the freedom to marry in 35 states and the District of Columbia, and also currently in Florida (where a pro-marriage ruling is now on appeal before the 11th Circuit), as well as in some Missouri counties (based on pro-marriage rulings also now on appeal). In June 2013, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the so-called Defense of Marriage Act, a law passed by President Bill Clinton in 1996 to prohibit the federal government from respecting legal marriages between same-sex couples. Mexico [MexicanFlag.jpg] On March 4, 2010 Mexico City's Legislative Assembly voted 39-20 to uphold the freedom to marry for same-sex couples on December 21, 2009. The law defines marriage as "the free uniting of two people." The bill also legalizes adoption by gay couples. In August 2010, the Mexican Supreme Court ruled that the law honoring the freedom to marry in Mexico City is constitutional and all states must honor same-sex marriages from other jurisdictions. In May 2012, after dealing with a civil code that did not specifically state gender requirements for marriage, the state of Quintana Roo declared that all marriages between same-sex couples would be legal. In December 2012, the Mexican Supreme Court declared that the Oaxaca civil code restricting marriage to different-sex couples is unconstitutional. Because of Mexican law, the ruling currently only applies to the three couples who filed the suit. If the court rules the same way in two additional cases, binding national precedent is set in Mexico, and all other jurisdictions in the country will have the freedom to marry. Countries Taking Steps Toward Marriage Australia [AustraliaFlagInternational.png] In Australia, when couples - including same-sex couples - have lived together for more than two years, they achieve "De Facto" status, which extends many of the proections and responsibilities that marriage provides. Several states in Australia - Tasmania, New South Wales, Victoria, Queensland, and ACT - have created lesser mechanisms of family status, called either "relationship register" or 'civil partnership." Australian Marriage Equality is currently leading the charge to win the freedom to marry in Australia. In December 2013, the first same-sex couples married in the ACT, but a court ruling overturned the freedom to marry and invalidated those marriages. Colombia [ColombiaFlagResource.png] In late July 2011, the national Colombian Court ruled that the Colombian Congress must pass marriage or an equal alternative for same-sex couples before June 20, 2013, or else the Court would automatically allow any judge or notary to formalize a marriage between same-sex couples. In December 2012, a committee in the Colombian Senate approved a measure by a 10-5 vote to extend the freedom to marry, but in April 2013, the freedom to marry was not approved. As such, soon, same-sex couples in the state will be able to register their unions in court. Learn more about the complicated process behind registered relationships in Colombia HERE. Countries with Other Forms of Relationship Recognition for Same-Sex Couples Broad Protections for Same-Sex Couple Countries that offer many rights to same-sex couples but stop short of marriage include Ecuador, Germany, Greenland, Hungary, Ireland, and Scotland. Limited Protections for Same-Sex Couples Countries that offer some spousal rights to same-sex couples, which are far from full marriage, include Andorra, Austria, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Liechtenstein, Slovenia, and Switzerland. Marriages Between Same-Sex Couples Recognized, but Not Performed Countries that only recognize marriages between same-sex couples performed in other countries include Israel and Mexico. Blog Posts Related to International The freedom to marry takes effect in Scotland on December 31 This week, the Scottish parliament announced that same-sex couples can begin to get married in Scotland on December 31. State of Coahuila becomes first in Mexico to pass marriage in the legislature This week, the state of Coahuila in Mexico became the first state in the country to approve the freedom to marry in the state legislature. The state joins the Federal District and Quintana Roo in extending the freedom to marry to all same-sex couples. 10% of global population lives where same-sex couples are free to marry As of May 2014, 10 percent of the world's population now lives in a place where same-sex couples are free to marry. Out of a global population of approximately 7.177 billion people, 718 million now live in a freedom-to-marry jurisdiction. See All » Resources Related to International Latin America’s revolution on the freedom to marry This year, the U.S. Supreme Court is weighing exactly the same questions that Mexico’s court has already resolved. When the justices take up the gay marriage cases in March, there will be more at stake than the status of American gay and lesbian couples. They will be deciding whether the United States will fall behind as its neighbors establish a new standard of human rights, or whether it will join a revolution that is well underway. 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By Spencer Case * Archive * Latest * RSS (Chip Somodevilla/Getty) Print Text [icon_text-less.jpg] [icon_text-more.jpg] Comments 799 Is there any point in continuing to debate same-sex marriage? Despite their field’s reputation for interminable controversy, academic philosophers do consider some topics resolved — and a number now think the same-sex marriage debate is one of them. The case in favor of same-sex marriage has been so firmly established, they believe, that further dialogue is at best a waste of time, and at worst an affirmation of bigotry. “The topics seem, to me, settled, and the controversies over them frankly silly,” writes philosopher Justin Weinberg at his widely viewed philosophy blog, Daily Nous. “As far as I can tell, there are zero plausible arguments for opposing homosexual sex and zero plausible arguments for a state offering different kinds of marriage rights to homosexual and heterosexual couples.” Weinberg plans to continue teaching same sex-marriage as a controversy in his contemporary-ethics course, but primarily in order to shed light on other issues and to expose the “highly problematic” arguments of those who oppose it. He mulls relegating the topic to a course on “historical moral problems,” where it can be discussed alongside slavery and other topics he considers settled. As a graduate student in philosophy, I’ve heard other tenured philosophers say far less temperate things off the record. Some seem to think that treating same-sex marriage as a controversial subject at all is itself tantamount to legitimating bigotry. They look forward to the blessed day when skepticism of their enlightened views is no longer tolerated in any university classroom. Granted, some Catholic philosophers — Robby George, for instance — are still vocal in their opposition to same-sex marriage. Some other thinkers, like self-described “Gay Moralist” John Corvino, continue to respectfully debate conservative opponents. Nevertheless, the recent political victories of the gay-rights movement seem to have tempted a growing minority to adopt a smug, and sloppy, intellectual intolerance. Some philosophical conclusions really are uncontroversial, and for good reason. One could not question the immorality of the Rwandan genocide without showing callousness to the victims of its horrors. To start, though, discussion of same-sex marriage doesn’t so obviously show callousness to homosexuals: Conservatives’ dispute with liberals is over the details of what a “right to marry” means, not whether some people have this right while others do not. Philosophers have been thinking — and, it goes without saying, disagreeing — about marriage since the time of Plato. In Family Politics, Scott Yoner demonstrates that modern philosophers like Locke, Rousseau, Hegel, Mill, and others have developed sophisticated and wildly different accounts of marriage. That is enough to show, at least, that there are many unsettled philosophical questions about the nature of marriage. Conservatives prefer to frame the same-sex marriage debate around questions such as, “What is marriage?,” “What role(s) does marriage play in society?,” and “What relationships should be eligible to count as marriages?” Proponents of same-sex marriage generally decline to give answers to these questions, preferring instead to make their case on the alleged arbitrariness of the “one man, one woman” norm. That argument may be effective, but it cannot settle the debate in the way the triumphalists claim it has been. To resolve this question rigorously as a philosophical matter, proponents must also account for how the “one man, one woman” norm stacks up alongside the likely alternatives. In saying this, I’m not appealing to any presumption in favor of tradition: Philosophers uninclined, or even disinclined, to tradition still sometimes find themselves stuck with views because the rivals seem even less palatable. 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